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  • From: Tripp Tibbetts <slowfoodguy@yahoo.com>
  • To: permaculture <permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org>
  • Subject: Re: [permaculture] Farm City: The Education of an Urban Farmer by Novella Carpenter
  • Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2009 14:05:38 -0800 (PST)

You're preaching to the converted, Toby!  Near the beginning of her book she
talks about reading your book, and trying to apply some of it to her garden. 
Maybe you should send her an email!
 
Tripp



The best fertilizer is the gardener's shadow.
-Chinese proverb
 

--- On Tue, 12/29/09, Toby Hemenway <toby@patternliteracy.com> wrote:


From: Toby Hemenway <toby@patternliteracy.com>
Subject: Re: [permaculture] Farm City: The Education of an Urban Farmer by
Novella Carpenter
To: "permaculture" <permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org>
Date: Tuesday, December 29, 2009, 9:54 PM



Tripp Tibbetts wrote:
> See what our friend, Novella Carpenter, is up to for New Year's:
> 
> Increase productivity. This year, I’m creating French intensive beds.
> For awhile I was trying to do those hippie permaculture jungles, but
> I’m starting to see that for me, it isn’t as productive or easy to
> harvest as it could be.
>
If someone's main aim is simply high yield (with high inputs for high
outputs), or simplicity, then they'll be disappointed with "hippie
permaculture jungles," since the latter are multifunctional, and include
little items such as providing habitat, retaining soil, maintaining a
functioning ecosystem, and in general sharing the planet with others,
which means that sheer human food yields might be lower. And guess which
one has a chance of being sustainable?

Written just after a visit to a real permaculture jungle in Belize, at
Christopher Nesbitt's.
http:mmrfbz.org

Toby
http://patternliteracy.com


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(Speaking of Gaia's Garden, I've actually got it open on my lap right now,
with the Raintree and Burnt Ridge websites open, putting together some new
diversity for spring!  What else would I do on a cold afternoon?)
 
Anybody have guilding advice on Seabuckthorn or Wolfberry?



The best fertilizer is the gardener's shadow.
-Chinese proverb
 

--- On Tue, 12/29/09, Toby Hemenway <toby@patternliteracy.com> wrote:


From: Toby Hemenway <toby@patternliteracy.com>
Subject: Re: [permaculture] Farm City: The Education of an Urban Farmer by
Novella Carpenter
To: "permaculture" <permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org>
Date: Tuesday, December 29, 2009, 9:54 PM



Tripp Tibbetts wrote:
> See what our friend, Novella Carpenter, is up to for New Year's:
> 
> Increase productivity. This year, I’m creating French intensive beds.
> For awhile I was trying to do those hippie permaculture jungles, but
> I’m starting to see that for me, it isn’t as productive or easy to
> harvest as it could be.
>
If someone's main aim is simply high yield (with high inputs for high
outputs), or simplicity, then they'll be disappointed with "hippie
permaculture jungles," since the latter are multifunctional, and include
little items such as providing habitat, retaining soil, maintaining a
functioning ecosystem, and in general sharing the planet with others,
which means that sheer human food yields might be lower. And guess which
one has a chance of being sustainable?

Written just after a visit to a real permaculture jungle in Belize, at
Christopher Nesbitt's.
http:mmrfbz.org

Toby
http://patternliteracy.com


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