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[Udan Farm <udanfarm@yahoo.com>]

Welcome to the list!

You might want to read up on chinampas if you have that much water, or you 
might want to just plant perennials-you don't want to be tilling in a 
floodplain. 


Just to be clear, some of us Permaculture folk disagree (nicely) with 
Lawrence's statement "You can prep your ground with a tractor and appropriate 
implements. Making raised beds by hand by double digging or some variant of 
that is an excellent way to create productive soil."
We use cardboard, mulch and manure, no digging.


Glad to see you already know you should START Small, but have an overall 
plan. That's a mighty lot of work, and you may want to think about opening it 
up to having more people on the land in whatever way (Community, Eco-village, 
WWOOF'ers, etc.) to get that vision realized. 
If we had to do something over again...we would have worked on the farm for 
some time before we moved onto it-it was 100% trees and we lived in 
tent/camper for 1.5 years!
I'd say be sure to have a PDC under your belt and a few friends :) that you 
can ask permaculture questions of...and know where your water flows!
The Pros are: We've made small interventions and observed, and gotten to know 
the place for 3.5 years, and only this last spring did we start doing larger 
things (fence for animals) clearing a few larger areas..It's all working out 
pretty well for us. Nature is flexible...
Sounds like you have a great place and some good vision!Happy Homesteading!
Isabel




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I know, and I agree with you 100% that getting outside is far and away 
better, but Isabel-

Just think of the way it could help to shorten the learning curve, or 
circumvent subjecting the farm produce and livestock to successive seasons of 
ineffective theories. I wouldn't mind at all if playing a game saved me 3 
years of crop reduction or failure.

I think such a game could be a great teaching tool. Also, there are many city 
folk who would love using it as an advance practice ground for future moves 
back to the land. Sort of a way to help plan your dream.

I think that playing such a game would teach the players that being steward 
of a farm doesn't just consist of what they've imagined or read in books- And 
it's also a way to get one step closer to the land.

Plus, it would also function to increase awareness of what a farmer has to do 
to get that food onto the urban table.

I do think it would be a *great* tool for consumer education.

I also think whoever worked the game out would be far better a comprehensive 
Permaculturist for having done so. For that reason alone, I'd want to be in 
on programming it.

Anybody know what programming language these things are written in? :-)

Namaste,

Linda :)
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> OMG, LOL, y'all, that's too funny and more than just a little scary- and 
> I'm a techie!Just go outside, or bop on over to your friend's permie 
> site-It's more
> fun, healthier and you get outside and away from the screen!
> 'dohi' Isabel
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