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  • From: Udan Farm <udanfarm@yahoo.com>
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  • Subject: [permaculture] re. Greetings
  • Date: Fri, 18 Dec 2009 09:07:45 -0800 (PST)

Welcome to the list!

You might want to read up on chinampas if you have that much water, or you
might want to just plant perennials-you don't want to be tilling in a
floodplain. 


Just to be clear, some of us Permaculture folk disagree (nicely) with
Lawrence's statement "You can prep your ground with a tractor and appropriate
implements. Making raised beds by hand by double digging or some variant of
that is an excellent way to create productive soil."
We use cardboard, mulch and manure, no digging.


Glad to see you already know you should START Small, but have an overall
plan. That's a mighty lot of work, and you may want to think about opening it
up to having more people on the land in whatever way (Community, Eco-village,
WWOOF'ers, etc.) to get that vision realized. 
If we had to do something over again...we would have worked on the farm for
some time before we moved onto it-it was 100% trees and we lived in
tent/camper for 1.5 years!
I'd say be sure to have a PDC under your belt and a few friends :) that you
can ask permaculture questions of...and know where your water flows!
The Pros are: We've made small interventions and observed, and gotten to know
the place for 3.5 years, and only this last spring did we start doing larger
things (fence for animals) clearing a few larger areas..It's all working out
pretty well for us. Nature is flexible...
Sounds like you have a great place and some good vision!Happy Homesteading!
Isabel




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SimPermaculture, a game like SimCity..
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I know, and I agree with you 100% that getting outside is far and away
better, but Isabel-

Just think of the way it could help to shorten the learning curve, or
circumvent subjecting the farm produce and livestock to successive seasons of
ineffective theories. I wouldn't mind at all if playing a game saved me 3
years of crop reduction or failure.

I think such a game could be a great teaching tool. Also, there are many city
folk who would love using it as an advance practice ground for future moves
back to the land. Sort of a way to help plan your dream.

I think that playing such a game would teach the players that being steward
of a farm doesn't just consist of what they've imagined or read in books- And
it's also a way to get one step closer to the land.

Plus, it would also function to increase awareness of what a farmer has to do
to get that food onto the urban table.

I do think it would be a *great* tool for consumer education.

I also think whoever worked the game out would be far better a comprehensive
Permaculturist for having done so. For that reason alone, I'd want to be in
on programming it.

Anybody know what programming language these things are written in? :-)

Namaste,

Linda :)
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> OMG, LOL, y'all, that's too funny and more than just a little scary- and
> I'm a techie!Just go outside, or bop on over to your friend's permie
> site-It's more
> fun, healthier and you get outside and away from the screen!
> 'dohi' Isabel
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