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Thank you Scott,
That is the type of answer I was looking for! I'll remember the "two horse 
max" thing...
and really, we don't sell anything off the land...even dead critters go under 
a tree :)Of course we do share a lot!
Peace,Isabel Crabtree



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Thank you again Scott.
I was thinking it was a good idea to hold a national conference-for about one 
day. Then I got to thinking about carbon and all those people flying in from 
everywhere.And then you reminded me how stressful those things can be to 
organize.
So, yah, National no-Regional YES!!
My thinking is that at our regional gatherings (the Southeastern one-yes, it 
is at Celo, NC-someone asked) we perhaps plan an extra day to talk about the 
subjects I mentioned (open source Wiki/pfaf kind of thing, Building a better 
designers manual, teaching skills, Large scale Permaculture, etc.)
Maybe ALL of the regional gatherings could put some thought into that and see 
what comes up...Also, since the digital age is here, maybe we can start 
thinking about those kinds of things here-serious thought to planning things 
like that (I know nothing about open-source or wikis but it seems like a very 
good move)...

As for the Costa Rica University...Oh, MY.  They are selling CONDOS! I did 
post to their board and ask who their teachers are.   :)
Peace,Isabel



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I organized a national pc convergence in the late eighties which Michael
Pilarski as well as many others participated and it was one of the most
fractious and stressful events of my short, at that time, permaculture
career.  It was then that I realized that pc is a very anarchistic
phenomenon containing many diverse personalities and philosophies who
somehow maintain forward motion with an amazing degree of civility and
support but put them together in one room and watch out!!

I think that the regionals are sufficient to our needs right now and when
there is a real need for a national it will happen.  

As time goes on I am even more convinced that we need to protect our turf.
I recently received an email from the Permaculture University of Costa Rica
which has no one who has taken a permaculture course but is offering the PC
Design Course.  They were willing to pay me for certificates.  The white
shoe crowd has discovered permaculture and sees dollars there; unfortunately
some of the permaculture graduates have discovered and put on the white
shoes and belts and headed to Bahrain.

Scott Pittman
Director
Permaculture Institute
www.permaculture.org





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     Borage seed oil is used as a dietary supplement. It is high in Omega 6 
fatty acids. The following are other medicinal uses for the plant: Poultice, 
diuretic,demulcent,emollient.
     Jethro Kloss in Back to Eden,Lancer Books, 1971 says that "It is 
excellent to bathe sore inflamed eyes with the tea. Taken internally the tea 
cleanses the blood and is effective for fevers, yellow jaundice,to expel 
poisons of all kinds due to snake bites, insect stings,etc., strengthens the 
heart ,is good for coughs,itch, ringworm, tetters, scabs,sores,ulcers.Use as 
gargle for ulcers in the mouth."
    The Eyewitness Handbooks edition of Herbs by Lesley Bremness, DK 
Publishing ,1994 has this entry on page 233: "A leaf and flower infusion is 
an adrenalin tonic taken for stress,depression,or cortisone and steroid 
treatment. It reduces fevers,dry coughs,and dry skin rashes and stimulates 
milk flow.Pressed seed oil can be used like Evening Primrose  for menstrual 
and irritable bowel problems,excema,blood pressure, arthritis, and hangovers. 
Remarck: leaves should be eaten in moderation."
   Finally the source which I use as a reference nearly always: A Modern 
Herbal by Mrs M. Grieve, Johnathan Cape Ltd.1931 [ Revised Edition 1973].
Page 120: "Medicinal Actions and Uses. Diuretic,demulcent,emollient.m Borage 
is much used in France for fevers and pulmonary complaints. By virtue of its 
saline constituents, it promotes the activity of the kidneys and for this 
reason is employed to carry off feverish catarrhs. Its demulcent qualities 
are due to the mucilage contained in the whole plant. For internal use an 
infusion is made of one ounce of leaves to i pint of boiling water, taken in 
wine glssful doses. Externall it is employed as a poultice for inflammatory 
swellings." 
    Borage is rich in potassium and calcium and is probably an excellent 
addition to compost so add those minerals to it at season's end.
These uses medicinally for borage come from an early American and further 
back European tradition and do not reflect uses of related plants from Asian 
traditions.
If some of the herbal use terms are unknown to you then just check an herbal 
online database which should have explanations as to what demulcent and all 
mean in every day parlance. By the way I still do not know what the tetters 
that Kloss refers to are. I just have not searched yet for the meaning and 
sometimes a mystery is just meant to be so I probably  never will search for 
it.                                    Bryce Ruddock

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 one word to you and your children: 
stay together      
learn the flowers   
go light"

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Thanks, Christopher!
I've really enjoyed the pictures and stories of your great work in Belize.  
Looks like a fascinating gig.  Are you mimicking the long-rotation milpas of 
the indigenous people of that area?



The best fertilizer is the gardener's shadow.
-Chinese proverb
 

--- On Tue, 12/8/09, christopher nesbitt <christopher.nesbitt@mmrfbz.org> 
wrote:


From: christopher nesbitt <christopher.nesbitt@mmrfbz.org>
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Tripp,

Thank you for such an informative post.

Best wishes,

Christopher
On Dec 7, 2009, at 5:56 PM, Tripp Tibbetts wrote:

> I'm not sure I am talking about market gardening and permaculture on  
> the same site, so this discussion may be moot.
>
> BUT:
> Around 1700 an English lawyer named Jethro Tull observed (ostensibly  
> without the assistance of an Aqualung) that vegetables grew better  
> in soil that had been broken up.  He deduced from this observation  
> that plant roots must have little mouths with which to eat particles  
> of soil.  How else would they acquire nutrients?  Believing that  
> cultivated soil consisted of smaller particles that would fit more  
> easily into the little root mouths, he invented a horse-drawn plow  
> to put his hypothesis to the test.  His work attracted the attention  
> of gentleman farmers like George Washington and Thomas Jefferson,  
> who encouraged American farmers to do likewise.
>
> For reasons completely unrelated to cultivation, this method DID  
> improve vegetable production in colonial America.  The more  
> perennial the biomass of an ecosystem, the more its soil biota is  
> dominated by fungi.  Annual vegetables, on the other hand, prefer a  
> soil biota dominated by bacteria.  So by removing the forests from  
> future agricultural plots and tilling, not only were there no trees  
> in the way of New England's row crops, but the fungally-dominated  
> soils of the forest were undone, and the manure that was tilled in  
> swung the soil biota rapidly in favor of the bacteria.  Perfect  
> recipe for turnips and cabbage!
>
> The practice of cultivation is so deeply ingrained in the American  
> psyche that it has become dogma, and self-evident in its  
> beneficence, despite the fact that we know good and well that plant  
> roots don't have mouths.
>
> So if you're preparing a vegetable plot from a former forest, then  
> by all means, chop up the fungal network and add manure or green  
> compost.  But if you have established garden beds, then utilize and  
> guide the soil food web to maximize production and spare your back.
>
> To read more about gardening with the soil food web, check out  
> Teaming With Microbes, by Jeff Lowenfels and Wayne Lewis.
>
> I might add as a more observational footnote, that, with the  
> exception of legumes, Nature doesn't fertilize anywhere but on the  
> surface.  Occasionally organic material is ground into the top few  
> inches of soil by ungulates, but other than that, it's pretty much  
> mulch and rain.  And the Piedmont clays of the southeast are  
> probably the MOST likely to benefit from biologically-derived soil  
> structure.  Humble earthworm indeed.
>
> Tripp out.
>
>
>
> The best fertilizer is the gardener's shadow.
> -Chinese proverb
>
>
> --- On Mon, 12/7/09, Lawrence F. London, Jr. <lflj@bellsouth.net>  
> wrote:
>
>
> From: Lawrence F. London, Jr. <lflj@bellsouth.net>
> Subject: Re: [permaculture] Double-dug?
> To: "permaculture" <permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org>
> Date: Monday, December 7, 2009, 10:00 PM
>
>
> Tripp Tibbetts wrote:
>> No, I didn't mean to say that.  But your garden is your garden.   
>> Double-dig if you like.
>>
>> I'd wager that if you knew the true origins of cultivation, you'd  
>> be a bit embarrassed that you ever subscribed to such an idea...
>
> I do this for a living and have selected the best methods to use to  
> build productive soil.
> Why would I waste my money on an unsustainable method or one that  
> doesn't work?
>
>> I'd wager that if you knew the true origins of cultivation, you'd  
>> be a bit embarrassed that you ever subscribed to
> such an idea...
>
> Why don't you give us more information about this with references.  
> If  you are using Fukuoka as an example I can
> understand when notill might be useful, in fact I am using that  
> method right now over a large area of fallow garden.
>
> If you're talking about doing permaculture and market farming at the  
> same time at the same site, and you're not on 10'
> deep praier black loam soil, then notill won't lead to acceptable  
> productivity.
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Thanks Lawrence for the news about


        Monsanto's Phosphorus Theft
        
<http://kjpermaculture.blogspot.com/2009/12/monsantos-phosphorus-theft.html>

I found a bit more to the story.

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