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[Rain Tenaqiya <raincascadia@yahoo.com>]

Toby, everything you are saying sounds reasonable to me.  I have no doubt 
that Mollison would find everything I'm doing much easier than I have.  On 
the other hand, I'm no recent college graduate with no experience with a 
shovel.  I starting studying permaculture in 1992 and lived in farming 
communites for several years before running my own permaculture design 
business for a couple years.  Then I bought land and started working on my 
own place.  I still feel hugely ignorant about nearly everything, and I don't 
consider myself very strong or energetic compared to many, but I'm not a 
newbie.  I just want to be able to live a model life that I can recommend to 
others, and after my experience I don't feel so confident about that.
 
I also agree with Lawrence:
 
"I think another missing element is invisible systems.  Our culture is 
designed around the rugged individualist myth.  With the exception of some 
successful intentional planned community my sense is that too many people are 
tackling land solo or as couples.  I don't criticize that because that is the 
way it is at this time, particularly in America. But in truth some of these 
systems should be built by communities of people that are committed to 
staying on the land for a long time as a true community. How we go a bout 
building this kind of community is I suspect far harder than designing a food 
forest or building a straw bale house."
 
We are part of a loose, collectively-owned community, but not the kind of 
integrated community that would make starting sustainable systems much 
easier.  I gave up on being able to accomplish much within my lifetime while 
working within such a community.  I feel kind of caught between warning folks 
against doing it on your own on marginal land and accepting that many people 
don't really have any other option.
 
I consider most of California as degraded land that needs restoration after 
the ravages of native depopulation, invasive annual grasses, logging, and 
overgrazing.  I always thought I would find a deforested and/or overgrazed 
chunk of land and nurse it back to health with trees, but I am kind of 
pushing the limits at the site I've chosen.  Trees are coming back on their 
own, so it is obvious that my site can support trees, but it is going to take 
a long time, and there is always the possibility that a fire will erase it 
all.  Maybe I should hire Bill to come do a design for me.....
 
Rain



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Hey folks,

Does anyone know a source for a  4-bevel flat surveyor's scale?
I'm following up on one of Darren Doherty's recommendations for a
field kit:

Scale Ruler - Flat Four Scale - 1:100, 1:125, 1:250, 1:500

I've searched high and low, and the scales I find that have anything
like those
scale ratios are triangular (and therefore a pain to carry around in
the field),
while the flat four-bevel scales that I find are for engineers and/or
architects - not surveyors - and thus
have different scale ratio systems.

Darren? Anybody?

Thanks!

Best,
Rafter






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