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Sorry, have not kept up with local discussion.
Have been involved on this topic in emails elsewhere.

Here is my understanding of Copenhagen:
another attempt to usurp our rights and freedoms at the same time as it 
takes away national sovereignty.
They are using the end (global warming) as an excuse to pass draconian means 
(here is where they put in laws that take away your rights and freedoms and 
allow the police to act on behalf of the ones that can afford to pay the 
piper.
They are greenwashing -- using the green movement to push for the changes 
that will give the means towards further structures of world government 
without representation.  And also, the power to act without recourse, 
without need to justify, explain or excuse. In short, legislated 
lawlessness.

In Canada, it's called bill c-6.  Globally, it has been Codex.
And now, globally, a new initiative which cleverly takes the inward looking 
greens who only want to be good citizens to build their next overarching 
superstructure with which to censor new initiatives and maintain the status 
quo.
Remember, they don't have to explain why.
Look to the means.
Read the fine print.
And never support laws that would enact a loss of freedoms.

Once again, we are witnessing an incredible piece of post 9/11 legislation 
in our post 9/11 world.

What is it with certain scientific theories that they achieve a level of 
religion? What is so untouchable about climate change and what is causing 
it? Why do we assume that its scientists, unlike the scientists for big 
pharma, would be beyond corruption?

Hello?  Anyone awake out there?

The time for political bigotry is over. Tis time to judge each issue on its 
merits. Regardless of who speaks for or against.
In short, it's time to wake up, and stop being idle followers, and start, to 
think for ourselves!

Frances

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> wish I had more time, preparing for Copenhagen
>
>
>
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> Date: Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 3:10 PM
> Subject: Permaculture TV - Collape - Food - The Movie
> To: permaculturecoop@gmail.com
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>
>   Permaculture TV - Collape - Food - The Movie <http://permaculture.tv>
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>
>   - Collape - Food - The Movie <#1252875c507ca35b_1>
>   - The Corporate Climate Coup <#1252875c507ca35b_2>
>   - The Climate Hacker <#1252875c507ca35b_3>
>   - Greenhouse Mafia - Australia <#1252875c507ca35b_4>
>
>  Collape - Food - The
> Movie<http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/permaculture/EHmn/~3/CsWGjU8aY48/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=email>
>
> Posted: 24 Nov 2009 02:37 PM PST
>
> A clip from “Collapse” a documentary by Chris Smith director of “American
> Movie” & “The Yes Men”.
> Radical thinker Michael Ruppert outlines his apocalyptic vision of our 
> world
> after the collapse of industrial civilization.
>
> Source: Collapse the Movie <http://www.CollapseMovie.com>
>
> The Corporate Climate
> Coup<http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/permaculture/EHmn/~3/4LbxpHebJeE/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=email>
>
> Posted: 24 Nov 2009 02:17 PM PST
>
> Over the last decade and a half we have been subjected to two competing
> corporate campaigns, echoing different time-honored corporate strategies 
> and
> reflecting a split within elite circles. The issue of climate change has
> been framed from both sides of this elite divide, giving the appearance 
> that
> there are only these two sides.
>
> Source: Corporate Climate Coup, Part 1 <http://permaculture.tv/?p=322>
>
> The first campaign, which took shape in the late 1980’s as part of the
> triumphalist “globalization” offensive, sought to confront speculation 
> about
> climate change head-on by denying, doubting, deriding, and dismissing
> distressing scientific claims which might put a damper on enthusiasm for
> expansive capitalist enterprise. It was modelled after and to some extent
> built upon the earlier campaign by the tobacco industry to sow skepticism
> about mounting evidence of the deleterious health-effects of smoking. In 
> the
> wake of this “negative” propaganda effort, any and all critics of climate
> change and global warming have been immediately identified with this side 
> of
> the debate.
>
> Video Source: Corporate Climate Coup, Part 2 
> <http://permaculture.tv/?p=324>
>
> The second positive campaign, which emerged a decade later, in the wake of
> Kyoto and at the height of the anti-globalization movement, sought to get
> out ahead of the environmental issue by affirming it only to hijack it and
> turn it to corporate advantage. Modelled on a century of corporate liberal
> cooptation of popular reform movements and regulatory regimes, it aimed to
> appropriate the issue in order to moderate its political implications,
> thereby rendering it compatible with corporate economic, geopolitical, and
> ideological interests. The corporate climate campaign thus emphasized the
> primacy of “market-based” solutions while insisting upon uniformity and
> predictability in mandated rules and regulations. At the same time it 
> hyped
> the global climate issue into an obsession, a totalistic preoccupation 
> with
> which to divert attention from the radical challenges of the global 
> justice
> movement. In the wake of this campaign, any and all opponents of the
> “deniers” have been identified - and, most importantly, have wittingly or
> unwittingly identified themselves - with the corporate climate crusaders.
>
> The corporate campaign has done more than merely create market 
> opportunities
> for mainstream popular science writers like Flannery. By constructing an
> exclusively Manichean contest between mean and mindless deniers, on the 
> one
> hand, and enlightened global warming advocates, on the other, it has also
> disposed otherwise politically-astute journalists on the left to
> uncharacteristic credulity. Heat, George Monbiot’s impassioned 2006
> manifesto on the matter, is embarrassing in its funneled focus and its 
> naive
> deference to the authority of science. “Curtailing climate change,” he
> declaims, “must become the project we put before all others. If we fail in
> this task, we fail in everything else.” “We need a cut of the magnitude
> science demands,” he declares; we must adopt “the position determined by
> science rather than the position determined by politics,” as if there was
> such a thing as science that was not also politics.
>
> Climate change campaigners have no greater right to be wrong than anyone
> else. “If we mislead the public,” he allows, “we should expect to be
> exposed,” adding that “we also need to know that we are not wasting our
> time: there is no point in devoting your life to fighting a problem that
> does not exist.” Here perhaps some remnants of truth seep between the
> managed lines, hinting yet at the opening of another space and another
> moment.
>
> *Historian David Noble teaches at York University in Toronto. Canada. He 
> is
> the author, most recently, of Beyond the Promised Land (2005)*
>
> Source: Corporate Climate Coup, Part 3 <http://permaculture.tv/?p=330>
>
> The Climate 
> Hacker<http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/permaculture/EHmn/~3/thAMonpG25c/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=email>
>
> Posted: 24 Nov 2009 01:59 PM PST
>
> Source: Its the End of the World of We Know It,
> Submedia.TV<http://submedia.tv/stimulator/2009/11/22/the-stimulator-vs-alex-jones/>
>
> Could global warming be a hoax? Some people believe they’ve found proof 
> that
> it is. Recently hackers broke into the Climate Research Unit at East 
> Anglia
> University computers and hacked over 1000 emails between global warming
> scientists discussing the “extra proof” they had to use to pad the global
> warming theory. These emails have leaked across the internet and in 
> several
> it’s admitted that global warming is in fact declining. It doesn’t need to
> be said the questions that these emails have raised so many questions:
> whether the emails are authentic or falsified? Whether scientists have 
> been
> stretching the truth on global warming?
>
> Source: 
> Gather.com<http://www.gather.com/viewArticle.action?articleId=281474977916239>
>
> Cointelpro Counterintelligence Program (a)
> (#24)<http://video.yahoo.com/watch/200495/1558796>@ Yahoo!
> Video <http://video.yahoo.com>
>
> The Knights 
> Carbonic<http://www.monbiot.com/archives/2009/11/23/the-knights-carbonic/>
> Posted November 23, 2009
> By George Monbiot, published in the Guardian, 23rd November 2009
>
> It’s no use pretending that this isn’t a major blow. The emails extracted 
> by
> a hacker from the climatic research unit at the University of East Anglia
> could scarcely be more damaging(1 <http://www.anelegantchaos.org/>). I am
> now convinced that they are genuine, and I’m dismayed and deeply shaken by
> them.
>
> Yes, the messages were obtained illegally. Yes, all of us say things in
> emails that would be excruciating if made public. Yes, some of the 
> comments
> have been taken out of context. But there are some messages that require 
> no
> spin to make them look bad. There appears to be evidence here of attempts 
> to
> prevent scientific data from being
> released(2<http://www.anelegantchaos.org/cru/emails.php?eid=914&filename=1219239172.txt>
> ,3<http://www.anelegantchaos.org/cru/emails.php?eid=490&filename=1107454306.txt>),
> and even to destroy material that was subject to a freedom of information
> request(4<http://www.anelegantchaos.org/cru/emails.php?eid=891&filename=1212063122.txt>
> ).
>
> Worse still, some of the emails suggest efforts to prevent the publication
> of work by climate
> sceptics(5<http://www.anelegantchaos.org/cru/emails.php?eid=307&filename=1051190249.txt>
> ,6<http://www.anelegantchaos.org/cru/emails.php?eid=484&filename=1106322460.txt>),
> or to keep it out of a report by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate
> Change(7<http://www.anelegantchaos.org/cru/emails.php?eid=419&filename=1089318616.txt>).
> I believe that the head of the unit, Phil Jones, should now resign. Some 
> of
> the data discussed in the emails should be re-analysed.
>
> But do these revelations justify the sceptics’ claims that this is “the
> final nail in the coffin” of global warming
> theory?(8<http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/jamesdelingpole/100017393/climategate-the-final-nail-in-the-coffin-of-anthropogenic-global-warming/>
> ,9 <http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=116882>) Not at all.
> They damage the credibility of three or four scientists. They raise
> questions about the integrity of one or perhaps two out of several hundred
> lines of evidence.
>
> Source: The Knights Carbonic,
> Monbiot.com<http://www.monbiot.com/archives/2009/11/23/the-knights-carbonic/>
>
>
>     Greenhouse Mafia -
> Australia<http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/permaculture/EHmn/~3/s8egKfDG_PU/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=email>
>
> Posted: 24 Nov 2009 01:45 PM PST
>
> *March 2008*, ABC’s Four Corners returns for 2006 with a
> whistleblower…revelations of a powerful insiders’ club.”Having found out
> what I’ve found out, I find it impossible to continue with a clear
> conscience without speaking out” - whistleblower interviewed by Four
> Corners.Do you know the whole truth on global warming?Not according to
> evidence given to Four Corners, which returns with disturbing allegations
> about the power wielded by industry lobbyists, the self-proclaimed
> greenhouse “mafia”.A whistleblower steps forward with claims that industry
> representatives have burrowed deep inside the federal bureaucracy in a
> successful bid to hijack greenhouse policy.Four Corners examines separate
> claims that the public is being denied full information about strategies 
> to
> combat global warming.
>
> Source: Produced by ABC Australia
> Source: Distributed by Journeyman
> Pictures<http://www.youtube.com/user/journeymanpictures>
>
> The greenhouse mafia is the self-description adopted by a group of
> executives of big mining and heavy industry companies and industry
> associations lobbying th Australian government on climate change policy.
> During the reign of former Prime Minister John Howard (1996-2007), their
> close relationships with federal ministers were exposed by Guy Pearse, a
> former speechwriter to former federal liberal Minister for the 
> Environment,
> Robert Hill.[1] Their influence over federal climate policy at that time 
> was
> so strong that they boasted that in some instances they have vetted and
> drafted cabinet submissions and ministerial briefings.[1]
>
> Since the election of Kevin Rudd in November 2007, the influence of the
> greenhouse mafia does not appear to have waned much. They still actively
> lobby the federal government on climate policy and frequently appear in 
> the
> media, in vocal opposition to initiatives aimed at reducing the carbon
> emissions caused by the Australian business sector.
>
> Source: 
> Sourcewatch<http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Greenhouse_mafia>
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