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  • From: Rain Tenaqiya <raincascadia@yahoo.com>
  • To: permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org
  • Subject: [permaculture] more on creating community
  • Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2009 12:26:34 -0700 (PDT)

Larry Saltzman's discussion of the idea of community establishment being like
ecosystem succession seems like a perfect permaculture design challenge. 
Larry Santoyo has also talked about this.  From my experience and from what
I've heard, it seems that we need to create structures that are intended to
outlast individuals, from the outset.  Creating a community takes a longer
period of time than most seem to realize.  With the amount of hard work,
time, and money that it takes to get one going, along with all the other
opportunities available in this society, it is unrealistic to design a
community process that requires individuals to see it through it through to
the end.
 
A framework that allows individuals to obtain a satisfying lifestyle within
an acceptable time period, while slowly moving the community as a whole to a
long-term community vision is probably more realistic.  A community land
trust or limited liability corporation legal structure that allows
individuals to come and go without threatening the financial or legal
integrity of the community is also crucial.
 
On the other hand, it can be very difficult to transform a community that
starts out with relatively independent individuals into one with more
integration.  The original vision can be lost.  Despite the original
intentions of the individuals, people change, and it is extremely difficult
to replace these people, who have worked hard to create a home, with others
that share the desired ideals.  So, there is danger in not creating the ideal
at the outset, a paradox that seems intractable.
 
How do you build the desired end conditions into the process from the
beginning?  This seems similar to the problems of communism, where a
dictatorship of the proletariat never transitions to an egalitarian society.
 
Rain



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Or alternatively stay right where you are and turn where you live into a
community.


-----Original Message-----
From: REMARCINC@aol.com
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Sent: Sun, Sep 13, 2009 10:32 am
Subject: [permaculture] Eco villages and rural communities



If you are moving from a city or suburb and looking for a place where
people work together generally you have a couple of already established
option.

First is that there are numbers of eco-villages already thriving in
various states, and you can join one- google for eco-village or co-housing-
lots
of them follow the Findhorn example and work on cooperation principles
with like-minded principles. My Sister and her husband live there, and all
does not always go smoothly, but gets worked out.

If you are not that much of a joiner- just want a simple small community-
there are thousands of those in the US in places with strong agricultural
economies. Pick a climate you like- go there- join a community group or a
church and presto - friends and a nice rural lifestyle. So many folks from
developed areas forget that rural America is the lifestyle of their dreams.

Kricket Smith-Gary
C. Roy Bickford
Witch Trot Farm


1692 Waddy Road
Lawrenceburg, KY 40342
502-839-4425
502-839-9655 fax
remarcinc@aol.com
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