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[Rain Tenaqiya <raincascadia@yahoo.com>]

Suraj, are you saying that pumping water directly with wind is unsustainable? 
 This is a pretty simple technology used by farmers and ranchers for a long 
time all across the United States, as well as other countries.  Supposedly, 
it is now more expensive than just using wind or water power to produce 
electricity which powers a pump, but I'd bet it would be cheaper in India.  
Once you learn how the pump works, you could probably repair it yourself.  
You might be able to find someone locally to build a wind-powered pump.  
Cattle would definitely have a larger ecological footprint.  I would argue 
that there is not enough land on the planet for everyone to have a cow 
(though I know it is a lot easier in humid climates).
 
Rain



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Two thoughts come to mind. One you can buy beneficial insects that eat the 
bad guys.  There are companies like Rincon-Vitova in California that 
specialize in Integrated Pest Management and sell specific predators for a 
variety of bugs. (www.rinconvitova.com) Secondly, I would think that 
including a variety of other plants that provide habitat for beneficial 
insects would have helped.  Part of the problem may also have beenthe 
monoculture of corn.  A think a more integrated holistic approach maybe 
needed than just introducing one new plant into a monoculture.  Finally, 
commercial fertilizer may up yield in the shortrun, but it is all part of a 
strategy that is doomed to fail in the long run. Killing and depleting the 
soil with chemical fertilizers while planting monoculture crops is the 
problem not the solution.


-----Original Message-----
From: sean forde <sforde@gmail.com>
To: permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org
Sent: Wed, Aug 12, 2009 12:36 pm
Subject: [permaculture] Advice for a corn farmer vexed by bugs nesting in 
clover?



In Blake Hurst's article, "The Omnivore’s Delusion: Against the
gri-intellectuals" he complains that planting clover to produce nitrogen
ad an unwanted side effect - bugs - and that forced him to use an
nsecticide. Does anyone have any real world experience to help him out?
Here is an excerpt from the article (
"A few other problems come to mind. The last time I planted a cover crop,
he clover provided a perfect habitat in early spring for bugs, bugs that I
ad to kill with20an insecticide. We do not normally apply insecticides, but
e did that year. Of course, you can provide nitrogen with legumes by using
 longer crop rotation, growing clover one year and corn the next. But that
ses twice as much water to produce a corn crop, and takes twice as much
and to produce the same number of bushels. We are producing twice the food
e did in 1960 on less land, and commercial nitrogen is one of the main
easons why. It may be that we decide we would rather spend land and water
han energy, but Pollan never mentions that we are faced with that choice."
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