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[A Sampson-Kelly <april@permaculturevisions.com>]

I am coming into this thread really late, thank goodness actually because
I was curious that this topic was so narrow and poorly informed, only to 
discover that the discussion on the topic is even worse.
How can we have forgotten what permaculture is really about,
For some people books are all they have, and I know for me, when i was 
starting out in the early 90's
I was trying to learn some basic living skills from books, then there 
was the internet and I met up with some oldies to show me practical things.
now, people are screaming for healthy living skills, nearly every day 
people are asking us for scholarships.
PLEASE turn your knowledge and energy outwards to helping them!

April S-Kelly

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>    1. Re: 1. Re: Why is permaculture more about selling books, DVDs
>       and (Lawrence F. London, Jr.)
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> Date: Fri, 03 Jul 2009 14:57:43 -0400
> From: "Lawrence F. London, Jr." <lflj@intrex.net>
> Subject: Re: [permaculture] 1. Re: Why is permaculture more about
>         selling books, DVDs and
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> Wesley Roe and Santa Barbara Permaculture Network wrote:
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> > hi
> > now you must be very happy with yourself
> > shame on you, hope you have shared all your rants with us
> > wes
> >     
>
> Read what he said and take the more angry bits with a tolerant grain of salt. 
> He is making good points though
> painting much of the permaculture movement unfairly with a broad brush.
>
> I do not think your callous and noncaring remark lends much credibility to 
> your work,
> especially if you claim to help those in need.
>
> I like what he had to say and am glad as hell he posted it here.
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>   
> > > guys; cant we acknowledge and reconcile the fact that most people cant
> > > afford the Permaculture pubicqtions AND that most Permaculturalists are
> > > busting there arses for no money
> > >       
>
> Very true and in many circumstances.
>
>   
> > > we need to go beyond; like 30 years ago
> > >       
>
> True.
>
>   
> > > it doesnt help that the permaculturalist pioneers are a bunch of go it alone
> > > curmudgeons who would rather hold a grudge for "? years than cooperate
> > >       
>
> Not quite.
>
>   
> > > here is some news; perennial polyculture was invented by poor people; before
> > > the friggin Permaculture movement
> > >       
>
> True again.
>
>   
> > > if you want to become an angry rent seeking old hippy this is exactly the
> > > formula
> > >       
>
> Few are really like that these days; survival preempts harboring attitude.
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>   
> > > its the capitalist ethic which has destroyed the world and might explain why
> > > this list/community is so tired and dysfunctional and the FOOD JUSTICE
> > > community is super active
> > >       
>
> This is the only permaculture list (with a few blog/webforum exceptions) that 
> isn't tired and dysfunctional.
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>   
> > > grow up
> > >       
>
> The food justice community is important & I would like to see select links to 
> online resources for this.
> In fact it is going to be way more important in the near future - have a look 
> at my Xpost on the
> HR 2749 Food Safety Enhancement Act of 2009.
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