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["Bryce Ruddock" <bruddockjr@wi.rr.com>]

       Wow that's a challenging search. I have not found an Eastern US grown 
source for any of the Mahonia species. 
If the reason for using it is for the antibiotic effect then the berberine in 
Oregon Grape roots is also found in Goldenseal [Hydrastis canadensis] and 
Barberry [Berberis species].
 Some of the phytochemical databases make mention of using leaves and stems 
and what the medicinal compounds in them are.One link is 
http://www.ars-grin.gov/duke/
   A source that I trust for herbs is Mountain Rose Herbs in Eugene, Oregon. 
Their website is www.mountainroseherbs.com
    They carry the Oregon Grape [Mahonia aquifolium]root in tincture, whole , 
and powdered forms and it is  wildcrafted.
    If you would like to grow your own then an excellent source is Horizon 
Herbs,www.horizonherbs.com. They offer the M. aquifolium as seeds and give 
good advice on propagation. By the way the Oregon Grape is hardy to US Zone 6 
which should not be a problem for you down in central Illinois.
    If you are really trying to not use a plant which has not been regionally 
cultivated/wildcrafted then there a lot of species that native Americans east 
of the Mississippi used that while they are not the same as western species 
will still do the job.
              Good Luck.  Bryce Ruddock , South Milwaukee, Wisconsin

    

    
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Laurie Winkler 
  To: midwestpermaculture@yahoogroups.com ; permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org 
  Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2009 3:08 PM
  Subject: [midwestpermaculture] looking for Oregon grape source....






  Hi friends, 


  I am looking for a regional source of oregon grape (barberry), if it grows 
east of the Rockies?  I have been directed to take the root and leaf 
medicinally.  One never knows the medicinal quality in which it will arrive 
when ordered online.  And it is challenging to find a source for the leaves, 
as the root is what is commonly used for medicinal purposes.
   
  If anyone knows of a quality source, I would grately appreciate the 
assistance.  Email me with the info at lauriekarina@gmail.com.
   
  Blessings,
   
  Laurie K
  Illinois










    




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When in [any] doubt, leave Nature alone. Thanks.

Nature is the old pro; we are the adolescents. How many of our adolescent
decisions worked out real well? Weren't we [secretly] thankful that there
was some "old growth" around to save/guide us? (remeniscent of Barry
Commoner's "The Closing Circle - on old growth and new growth forests). I
trust Nature to introduce new species. I know we can be adolescent.

IPM, the acronym for Integrated Pest Management, asks for using all other
natural/native/local remedies before using a chemical. I'm musing of another
IPM, Integrated Plant Management, where all other natural/native/local
species are encouraged/used first , before a non-native/exotic is
used/introduced.

For what it's worth.

Dick Pierce
On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 4:58 PM, <lbsaltzman@aol.com> wrote:

> It reminds me of language pursuits bemoaning the changes to languages and
> trying to preserve a "pure language", which is to say?turning a living
> language into a non-living language frozen at moment in time.? I notice that
> new plants appear in our forest garden all the time. many are useful, but?a
> few are problematic. The hard part is being intelligent and experienced
> enough to know when to leave nature alone and when to intervene and push it
> in a direction we want it to go.
>
> Larry
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rain Tenaqiya <raincascadia@yahoo.com>
> To: permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org
> Sent: Tue, Jun 16, 2009 12:08 pm
> Subject: [permaculture] Toby's post on Autumn olive
>
>
>
> I don't know if Toby is trying to reignite the fiery debate on invasive
> plants,
> but I would argue for a more balanced approach to the topic.? Saying that
> Douglas-fir is not native to Cascadia is to redefine the term.? It was
> there
> long before people were, as far as I've ever heard.
> ?
> Also, making broad generalizations about plant succession is risky, whether
> invasive plants are involved (usually are) or not.? To say that invasive
> exotic
> plants do not displace natives without humun disturbance is to deny the
> chaotic
> and wondrous process of ecological succession.? Natives displace natives,
> so why
> can't exotic plants displace natives?? I see it frequently, without humun
> disturbance.? Sometimes, native plants displace exotic plants, too.? It's
> all a
> dance.
> ?
> Rain
> ?
>
>
>
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