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Thank you everyone for the great ideas!!
peace,Isabel


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Today's Topics:

   1. Re: rural, low budget Perm. in So Cal? (susan macias)
   2. Re: rural, low budget Perm. in So Cal? (Jake Bucy)
   3. The sixth annual Natural Building and Sustainable Living
      Sunday, July 26 through Saturday, August 1, 2009 Thunder Mountain
      - Bath, New York (Wesley Roe and Santa Barbara Permaculture Network)
   4. Re: new article: Sepp Holzer's Permaculture
      (Lawrence F. London, Jr.)
   5. Re: rural, low budget Perm. in So Cal? (Lawrence F. London, Jr.)
   6. Re: rural, low budget Perm. in So Cal? (lbsaltzman@aol.com)


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Message: 1
Date: Sat, 13 Jun 2009 10:44:14 -0700
From: "susan macias" <smacias@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: [permaculture] rural, low budget Perm. in So Cal?
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Look at www.quailsprings.org   They are about an hour and a half outside of 
L.A.  They have many courses and open houses/volunteer workdays.


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Subject: [permaculture] rural, low budget Perm. in So Cal?


Hi everyone,
I am planning on visiting a friend in Santa Monica soon, who is very 
interested in jumping off into the permaculture lifestyles. They are very 
interested in living on the cheap, off grid, close to the land, 
homeschooling, rural living etc.
I was wondering if anyone knows of any rural, low-budget permaculture sites 
within an hour or two of L.A. that we could visit, so that I can "SHOW" them 
what I'm talking about! City folk can't really comprehend what it's like 
sometimes.
Thanks,Isabel



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Message: 2
Date: Sat, 13 Jun 2009 10:58:09 -0700
From: Jake Bucy <jakebucy@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [permaculture] rural, low budget Perm. in So Cal?
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Check out www.pathtofreedom.com  They are in Pasedena, a great example in
the city.  You can Youtube their video Homegrown Revolution!


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Message: 3
Date: Sat, 13 Jun 2009 12:56:39 -0700
From: Wesley Roe and Santa Barbara Permaculture Network
    <lakinroe@silcom.com>
Subject: [permaculture] The sixth annual Natural Building and
    Sustainable Living Sunday, July 26 through Saturday, August 1, 2009
    Thunder Mountain - Bath, New York
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The sixth annual!  ~ * ~  Seven full days!
Sunday, July 26 through Saturday, August 1, 2009
hosted by The PeaceWeavers :: Thunder Mountain - Bath, New York
http://peaceweavers.com/bws/

Natural Building
   and
Sustainable Living

>From natural building and permaculture techniques 
to water and energy conservation . . . from 
alternative fuels to sourcing your food locally 
. . . this event is important for everyone 
concerned about how their lifestyle impacts our 
Earth.



It's the sixth year that the PeaceWeavers have 
hosted this family-friendly event at the Thunder 
Mountain Retreat Center near Bath, New York, 
offering very full days of teaching, learning, 
building, and networking. Top experts, authors, 
educators, innovators, designers, and builders 
offer hands-on experience and educational 
presentations with "close to the earth" building 
materials and lifestyle choices.

But in the end, there's one really important 
thing that makes these events amazing. Sure, 
there's all kinds of new, fun, valuable things to 
learn - tactile, hands-in-the-mud stuff that you 
just don't get from the books or the internet. 
Sure, people can pick up tricks and tips to save 
precious days and months of misdirected time and 
effort, as well as thousands of dollars of 
misspent money, on their own projects and in 
their lives. Sure, there's the great food, the 
beautiful natural setting, the music, and so much 
more. But in the end, the most rewarding and 
inspiring thing is the rare privilege of being 
with so many talented, smart, caring, willing, 
extraordinary people... some of whom just happen 
to be world-class natural builders, sustainable 
thinkers, and do-gooders. It's the people - all 
of them - who come together at Thunder Mountain 
that are the best thing of all.

Join us for our 6th Natural Building Colloquium!
- a hands-on event with an emphasis on natural 
building and sustainable living in the 
northeastern climate. Meet and be inspired by 
some of the movement's foremost natural builders, 
designers, and sustainable living educators.

Workshops, demonstrations, and presentations include such topics as:
Strawbale ? cob ? cordwood ? timber framing ? 
earth sheltered buildings ? straw-clay infill ? 
permaculture ? community-supported agriculture ? 
living roofs ? thatching ? renewable energy 
(wind, solar, and more) ? natural plasters & 
finishes ? building with hemp ? alternative fuels 
? log cabin construction ? international building 
projects ? building codes ? and much more...
(Presenters, workshops, & presentations are subject to change.)

? On-site camping and all meals (vegan) are included
? Arrive between 1-5 pm on Sunday, July 26th to set up camp;
    opening ceremonies are at 5:00, with dinner and an evening
    presentation to follow
? Event ends mid-afternoon on Saturday, August 1st

Register early for substantial savings!


Adults (18+)
College Students
Kids* (5-17)
Before June 1st
$625
$425
$225
Before July 15th
$675
$475
$275
After July 15th
$725
$525
$325
? 50% deposit due at time of registration - balance due by July 15th.
? * Must be accompanied by an adult; otherwise college prices apply.
? Deposit less $150 processing fees refundable through July 15;
      no refunds after this date.
? Visa/MC/Discover/AMEX accepted.

Link to the registration form (.doc format).


Contact the PeaceWeavers at 607-776-4060
or pw@PeaceWeavers.com

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Message: 4
Date: Sat, 13 Jun 2009 16:32:52 -0400
From: "Lawrence F. London, Jr." <lflj@intrex.net>
Subject: Re: [permaculture] new article: Sepp Holzer's Permaculture
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paul wheaton wrote:
> This is a compilation of my notes, plus more pictures and I made a
> bunch of drawings to try and describe some of the weirder stuff.
> 
> http://www.richsoil.com/sepp-holzer/sepp-holzer-permaculture.jsp

Excellent, Paul! There are many rocket stove vids on UTub including some by a 
PC list member
in LA.


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Message: 5
Date: Sat, 13 Jun 2009 16:52:19 -0400
From: "Lawrence F. London, Jr." <lflj@intrex.net>
Subject: Re: [permaculture] rural, low budget Perm. in So Cal?
To: permaculture <permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org>
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Udan Farm wrote:
> Hi everyone,
> I am planning on visiting a friend in Santa Monica soon, who is very 
> interested in jumping off into the permaculture lifestyles. They are very 
> interested in living on the cheap, off grid, close to the land, 
> homeschooling, rural living etc.
> I was wondering if anyone knows of any rural, low-budget permaculture sites 
> within an hour or two of L.A. that we could visit, so that I can "SHOW" 
> them what I'm talking about! City folk can't really comprehend what it's 
> like sometimes.
> Thanks,Isabel

Larry Santoyo and Larry Saltzman (both subscribers of this list) might know 
of sites.

Go homebrew..
What are (some of) the ingredients of this lifestyle?
"living on the cheap, off grid, close to the land, homeschooling, rural 
living etc."
... is a good starting point. Make lists within an outline and expand on this.

Close to the land - undeveloped land preferably, with as great a diversity of 
fauna and flora as possible
(for me that means birds, amphibians, annual and perennials plants, native 
shrubs and tree that provide resources for
their surroundings, i.e. firewood, building materials, food, wildlife food 
and habitat, elements that create balance
an stability and contribute to ecosystems on site (for me that also means 
black snakes to balance copperhead population,
dirt dobber wasps that capture black widow spiders and feed them to their 
young) Good reasons to preserve and enhance
wildlife in ecosystems on your property!

Living on the cheap - good place to start with that is diet; eliminate 
everything but bare essentials for maximum health 
through maximum nutrition - grow your own food - start with chickens, then 
goats; plant grapes, berries and fruit trees
and bushes (some native wild food) - make your own fermented foods (kraut and 
kim chee); Mollison has a great book on 
this - but staple foods in bulk, seeds, beans, grains; grow your own grain 
(spelt for bread, corn for cornbread and grits).

Off the grid - this may be a good time to procure equipment for off grid 
power generation - some resources:
Home Power Magazine - excellent
Rolls batteries (the best of all deep cycle marine off grid/solar battery, 10 
year guarantee 300lbs. each - they sell 
cabling and assorted connectors and other componnts also, Trace Inverter, 
Bergey windmill - 1000watt unit and various 
towers 1 or 2 people can erect
the usual photovoltaic components
There is, from what I understand, something of a new generation of off grid 
equipment, smaller, lighter, more compact, 
cheaper, but I do not know the preferred manufacturers, look around but be 
picky.

Lots of excellent resources on the web for all of this - use the search 
engines



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Message: 6
Date: Sat, 13 Jun 2009 19:33:42 -0400
From: lbsaltzman@aol.com
Subject: Re: [permaculture] rural, low budget Perm. in So Cal?
To: permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org
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If they have any public events Larry Santoyo's site and Quail Springs are 
both well worth seeing as is Orella Ranch on the Gaviota Coast.?? My site is 
urban not rural. I have a well developed backyard food forest with over a 
hundred trees right in the heart of Santa Barbara.

Larry Saltzman







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Sent: Sat, Jun 13, 2009 1:52 pm
Subject: Re: [permaculture] rural, low budget Perm. in So Cal?



Udan Farm wrote:
> Hi everyone,
> I am planning on visiting a friend in Santa Monica soon, who is very 
interested in jumping off into the permaculture lifestyles. They are very 
interested in living on the cheap, off grid, close to the land, 
homeschooling, 
rural living etc.
> I was wondering if anyone knows of any rural, low-budget permaculture sites 
within an hour or two of L.A. that we could visit, so that I can "SHOW" them 
what I'm talking about! City folk can't really comprehend what it's like 
sometimes.
> Thanks,Isabel

Larry Santoyo and Larry Saltzman (both subscribers of this list) might know 
of 
sites.

Go homebrew..
What are (some of) the ingredients of this lifestyle?
"living on the cheap, off grid, close to the land, homeschooling, rural 
living 
etc."
... is a good starting point. Make lists within an outline and expand on this.

Close to the land - undeveloped land preferably, with as great a diversity of 
fauna and flora as possible
(for me that means birds, amphibians, annual and perennials plants, native 
shrubs and tree that provide resources for
their surroundings, i.e. firewood, building materials, food, wildlife food 
and 
habitat, elements that create balance
an stability and contribute to ecosystems on site (for me that also means 
black 
snakes to balance copperhead population,
dirt dobber wasps that capture black widow spiders and feed them to their 
young) 
Good reasons to preserve and enhance
wildlife in ecosystems on your property!

Living on the cheap - good place to start with that is diet; eliminate 
everything but bare essentials for maximum health 
through maximum nutrition - grow your own food - start with chickens, then 
goats; plant grapes, berries and fruit trees
and bushes (some native wild food) - make your own fermented foods (kraut and 
kim chee); Mollison has a great book on 
this - but staple foods in bulk, seeds, beans, grains; grow your own grain 
(spelt for bread, corn for cornbread and grits).

Off the grid - this may be a good time to procure equipment for off grid
 power 
generation - some resources:
Home Power Magazine - excellent
Rolls batteries (the best of all deep cycle marine off grid/solar battery, 10 
year guarantee 300lbs. each - they sell 
cabling and assorted connectors and other componnts also, Trace Inverter, 
Bergey 
windmill - 1000watt unit and various 
towers 1 or 2 people can erect
the usual photovoltaic components
There is, from what I understand, something of a new generation of off grid 
equipment, smaller, lighter, more compact, 
cheaper, but I do not know the preferred manufacturers, look around but be 
picky.

Lots of excellent resources on the web for all of this - use the search 
engines

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can't make this stuff up:

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/15/world/americas/15uighur.html?hp=&pagewanted=all

peas
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