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["Bryce Ruddock" <bruddockjr@wi.rr.com>]

   If the client is unwilling to confine the large dogs to a pen or indoors, 
or to take them somewhere off site where they can run to their hearts content 
at least once a day then the design will need to incorporate some year round 
dog deterrents. The plants that give a disagreeable odor repelling to dogs 
won't work in a Minnesota environment for much of the year.
    Try something thorny or prickly. If the client wants a true permaculture 
design offer various degrees of pet deterrrents from hedges to fences with 
vines. Try rugosa hedge roses, nettles, and junipers that also yield 
berries.Look for varying heights and patterns of the roses and junipers.Plant 
as a hedge with a multilayered pattern so that there will be various layers 
to the pet barrier and lastly put a fence behind it all as the final 
deterrent.The client needs to articulate their design requirements as regards 
the dogs so that you can make the adjustments to the design that can allow 
for the pets to have some space and the plantings to be protected.
    In regards to another post about the composting of the dog waste:forget 
about the "biodegradeable plastic bags. T'aint no such thing no how. Every 
link to manufacturers of these types of bags that I have followed all the way 
back to the corporate site detail the production process and always include 
polyethylene in the molecular structure of the resin plastic base of the 
finished product. When it breaks down the starch molecules from corn, 
soybeans, switchgrass, or whatever the miracle plant of the moment is always 
leaves behind the bits of polyethylene plastic that bound it all together. At 
the cellular/nano molecular level this very small near invisible to the 
discerning human eye can still wreak havoc in natural systems. Put the 
doggie-doo in a paper lunch bag and compost it with lots of gree and dry 
matter and then use the end result as a tree fertilizer. No plastic in and no 
plastic in the result.
  Also by way of experimentation I last year brought home 3 plastic 
biodegradeable drink cups from the Midwest Renewable Energy Fair in mid June. 
I received my PDC certificate at their site in May 2008.We had been assured 
by their staff that the plastics would degrade but after looking at their 
compost heaps and seeing the same cups in there from a year eaelier and 
knowing that the fair is the only event that could have generated the waste 
we decided to do a few tests of our own. One cup was crushed. Another was 
torn into strips, and a third left intact. All were added to a large compost 
heap with plenty of organic matter. The heap was activated weekly with human 
urine.   
    This spring we had a beautiful 3 cubic yards of compost and the 
following: I crushed plastic cup, 1 torn into strips plastic cup, and 1 whole 
plastic cup. If they can biodegrade it may not be in my lifetime and I do not 
feel like waiting those hundreds of years for it to happen. Like mom used to 
say "Garbage in. Garbage out." Follow the links back to the plastics 
manufacturers and what you'll find is a whole lotta bull backed by 14th 
Amendment "people" such as Archer Daniels Midland, Cargill, Dow, and 
Monsanto.When you get to the process links and read the chemistry there it 
will be:petrochemical plastics.              Bryce Ruddock

"... To climb these coming crests
 one word to you and your children: 
stay together      
learn the flowers   
go light"

Gary Snyder {from For The Children}
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My dogs know perfectly well they'd better stay out of the gardens...all of
the gardens.  They go around gardens and stay on the paths to the gates.
Dogs are trainable if the owner tries.  Also, when corn starts getting ripe
I will tie 2 dogs down in the bottoms by the corn garden EVERY night.  it's
the only way I would get any corn.  Actually, I think I need to put them
down there now.  I noticed deer tracks thru my newly planted peanut bed.  My
dogs also help keep the domestic animals where they belong.  I couldn't do
it without them.  All three are Border Collies.  The only problem I have is
that one of them digs moles, but in the yard, not the garden.

My 2 cents worth, Lisa, in the MO Ozarks