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[negiliblek <negiliblek@yahoo.com>]

.>..is how some think the same thing would not be
>happening if the NOP had not been created.  It seems to me that in the
>absence of the NOP any large corporation could have created their own
>certifying organization with standards that fit their products and
>marketing plan -- and with a large advertising budget could have very
>well sold the public on how "green" their version of "organic" was, even if
>their "standards" were substandard.

I cannot keep silent on this after seeing corporate FUD (Microsoft
versus Linux, Nuclear power vs any renewable, etc.) being inserted into
blogs, mailing list or any other public forum platform.  



Some welling meaning people whose life's work is authentic also get
sucked into believing that, say in the case of Open Source Software,
"open source software is anti-business". How is this related? -read on and 
use your mind.

Since a corp branding identifies their products, if it becomes known that 
their products are substandard, all the advertising in the world cannot stop 
those who wish to knowfrom finding out.

If, on the other hand, a standard is setup by a seemingly official source 
(like the USDA  or a say an academic body like the AMA) then it becomes very 
hard to tell when that seemingly official third party has become corrupt and 
who is corrupting it (Toby's life was saved not by methods created or 
sanctioned by the American Medical Association -can any of you tell me why 
the information saved his life is considered "superstition" by the AMA and 
why the AMA OUTLAWED any OFFICAL means of practicing this information for 
YEARS. Can any of you tell me who corrupted such an offical academic body 
into acting thus ).

One way to control information that is powerful to all people, is to "bring 
it into the mainstream" and then dilute that information to the point where 
it is no longer useful.  

Offering well meaning people status by issuing them degrees governed by 
"official bodies" and thereby A WAY TO MAKE MONEY VIA INTELLECTUAL PROPERTY 
RIGHTS and to make money from the academic "right to teach" ( a right which 
will only be sanctioned by the "official body"), often SUCKERS authentic 
people into thinking their financial destiny has arrived and they are now 
getting their just due recognition.  ( Financial/status gains made real for 
them for a short time but not for the people coming after them).

Those of you already teaching classes, who are already sharing information 
are ALREADY DOING WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE.  -Nothing more.  

Those schools who teach substandard methods will be identified by communities 
like this one and others. Large farms that practice substandard methods will 
also be exposed by this community and others. 

But to give up this governing control  that this community has  to an 
"official body" ruled by a select few(please don't tell me any of you have 
direct input into the day to day operation of the USDA simply by voicing your 
dissent -once this may have been true, but now there is a nice little round 
file for your dissent as well as your protest), is to betray future 
generations their ability to access power information and the quality of that 
information. 

YOUR CHILDERN MAY BE OUTLAWED FROM PRACTICING methods that work and that 
serve a higher standard than that of an offical body.

Yes, you'll have to work instead of rule worker bee's from your ivory 
tower/permaculture power desk - Yes, your back will be strong, your hands 
tough and your mind clear -AND IF YOU ARE GOOD, THE COMMUNITY WILL RECOGNIZE 
IT AND FINANCIAL COMPENSATE YOUR FOR IT. No, not millions and billions of 
dollars, but enough to live and be well -in a sustainable fashion.

For those who don't think this method works, recognize that it does work in 
the Open Source software community.

Beware of FUD, beware of propaganda in all it's forms, including those who 
strain to be nice, use stilted, official sounding language to hide behind and 
try to appear to be friendly to your cause, agreeing on the surface yet 
undercutting the essence the spirit and freedom of powerful information.

I've said what needing saying -let the debate rage on.








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I'm no expert on this, and now I'm wondering if the maypop fruits I've tasted 
have been hybrids, but passionfruit can be stored similar to most other 
fruits.  Just keep them in a cool, dry place, preferably with lots of air 
movement around the individual fruits.  They should keep for at least a 
month.  Banana passionfruit (Passiflora mollissima) can even be picked before 
totally ripe and will ripen in storage over more than a month.  If you can 
manage to create a microclimate for these (as in a greenhouse) they will 
really brighten up the Winter diet.
 
Rain



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Greetings,

We have an emergency as gabriel got a bacteria in his ear from
polluted ocean water that caused a severous ear infection that got
complicated and expanded to his brain and lungs. He is still in the
hospital but recuperating movement and with no brain damage, however,
with the outstanding hospital bill and the realities of the
maintenance of the Botanical garden we are in need of your support,
please consider the following:

Howearth Fund for the  Preservation of Bio-Diversity

Gabriel Howearth is in hospital and in need of your prayers and
financial support. Please donate generously and help Gabriel back on
his feet so that he may continue his crucial work of botanical preservation.

In exchange for a five hundred dollar ($500 USD) contribution by
October 31st, Earth Stewards of the Howearth Fund receive:

           * 3 weeks at Buena Fortuna Gardens for one person
  (or one week for three people);

*  30% discount on on-site workshops generated by Siempre    Semillas (NGO);

*  20% discount on on-site workshops generated by outside organizations;

*  5 - 10% discount on all  off-site workshops performed by Gabriel
Howearth (depending on place and location);

*  Possible week-sharing-exchange with other biodiversity projects in
San Pancho Nayarit and others in Brazil (to be announced).

Support Gabriel's recovery. Send your love and prayers. Become an
Earth Steward of the Howearth Fund for the Preservation of
Biodiversity. Send your much needed tax deductible contributions to:

           Howearth Fund for the Preservation of Bio-Diversity
           C/O   Name
                    Address
                    Phone
                    e-mail

For up-dates on Gabriel's recovery, send e-mail inquires to Kitzia
Danel Howearth
at  <mailto:siempresemillas@gmail.com>siempresemillas@gmail.com
and  <mailto:siempresemillas@yahoo.com>siempresemillas@yahoo.com




Health Research Institute

       c/o WellSprings


       2253 Highway 99 North

       Ashland, Or 97520

       USA