permaculture

[lbsaltzman@aol.com]

this issue of progressives and environmentalists jumping on the biofuels 
bandwagon is a real problem. I got into an interesting debate with a local 
environmental group in Santa Barbara who were proudly announcing their 
support for a new gas station selling gasoline with corn based ethanol fuel 
mixed in. Biofuels are a big part of their "solution" to the environmental 
crisis, global warming etc.? They are in the "techno-fix" camp. A few years 
ago they sold off an wonderful acre site with an incredible organic urban 
micro-farm so they could concentrate on fighting global warming. They simply 
couldn't connect the dots.? So I am not surprised that progessives would be 
susceptable to believing that raising negative issues meant you were on the 
side of evil.

Larry saltzman


-----Original Message-----
From: Scott Pittman <scott@permaculture.org>
To: 'permaculture' <permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org>
Sent: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 10:59 am
Subject: Re: [permaculture] what about lubrication?



Just this final word and I am done.

On January 24, 2008 David Fridley presented his "The Myth of Biofuels" in
Santa Cruz, California.  Before this date a letter was sent out to a mailing
list of progressives in the city asking them to boycott the presentation and
calling Mr. Fridley, in so many words, "a lying shill for the oil industry".

In this letter David Blume challenged David Fridley to a debate "anytime,
any place".  

Fortunately most people saw through this self serving attempt to shut up a
voice that raises serious questions about the whole biofuel hype.  David
Fridley has put his presentation on an open source video, I highly recommend
that everyone view his very articulate and well documented arguments.

Scott Pittman
Director
Permaculture Institute
www.permaculture.org
-----Original Message-----
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lbsaltzman@aol.com
Sent: Monday, March 31, 2008 5:59 AM
To: permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org
Subject: Re: [permaculture] what about lubrication?

David Fridley makes sense to me.? I hope we can retire the biofuels debate
for now. Biofuels ain't happening on a large enough scale to replace
petroleum.


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If anyone is interested in hearing a reasoned argument against biofuels 
by an energy scientist, check out "The Myths of Biofuels" by David 
Fridley (who must be, of course, another lying shill for the oil 
industry!). A trailer is at 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DeVT7jMYZlo&feature=related

Toby
http://patternliteracy

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