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  • From: Dieter Brand <diebrand@yahoo.com>
  • To: permaculture <permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org>
  • Subject: Re: [permaculture] Tibet Update: Boycott the Olympics ....
  • Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 12:27:29 -0700 (PDT)

Charles,

Sometimes I’m glad that I am too old to run much risk of having to witness
that Brave New World of yours at first hand. The Chinese have always been
very smart trades people and can outsmart Anglo-Sachsons at the capitalist
game without much effort. The Olympics are a way of establishing their
respectability, it is a PR event for the communist establishment. That is why
the protests need to focus on the Olympics.

You are right that the US and European governments do not want a boycott,
they are already under the influence of Beijing. But you and I are not. We
can make a choice and we can make our voice heard. We don't risk our lifes
like those brave souls in Tibet.

It is not about bringing Chinese industry or the Olympics to a halt; there
is very little chance of that happening. It is about sending a clear message
to the butchers of Tiananmen and Lahsa, a message clear and loud and in
unison. Let them know that we don’t forget.

Neither is this against the Chinese people. The Chinese people is deprived
of freedom and human rights just as much as the Tibetans. In fact, the one
conditions the other.

It is about respect for human dignity and for the cultural identity of a
people, about human rights and freedom and it is against apathy in the face
of brutal suppression. It is also about giving non-violent action a chance
and about rejecting cynicism.

Dieter Brand
Portugal

Charles de Matas <cdematas@hotmail.com> wrote:

Why all this increase in interest in human rights in Tibet now? Just because
it's an olympic year and people want to embarass the chinese and call for
boycotts? The US empire is on the decline. What nation will fill the void and
become the new world empire? When one empire falls another one inevitably
rises. The US filled the void of the declining spanish empire in the new
world. After the decline of the british empire, the US also became a major
economic power. Once the chinese learn to play the capitalism game well
enough they will become the new world economic superpower. Boycott if you
want, millions of people around the world are still going to buy their
cheaper clothes, gadgets and other products. That's globalisation and free
markets. The US and EU are unlikely to call any kind of official boycott. A
lot of chinese financial reserves are in US currency. The chinese can easily
inflict severe damage on the US exchange rate by switching to another
currency. The
chinese can boycott also.

Charles.
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Howdy All -

I'm a permaculture designer + teacher working mostly in northeastern North
America, and I'd like to ask for some advice on a number of upcoming
teaching events.

I'm going give talks at several colleges & universities around the northeast
(things are popping up here!), mostly through invitations by student
environmental + activist groups. Collaborating with existing educational
infrastructure seems to be a potentially strong leverage point for
widespread sharing of pc principles + practices, and so I am looking for
ways to really encourage permaculture activity on/connected to these
campuses my learning events.

Of course every situation is different and careful social/political/cultural
Site A&A is ideal in each case. But, based on your actual experiences, what
can I do to encourage pc ideas/programs/projects to take root at these
universities? Should I...
-- Ask students start their own little pc groups, or integrate pc into their
existing groups' focus?
-- Put in effort to get faculty, administration, and staff to the teaching
event?
-- Work to secure continued teaching + demonstration events on site?
-- Find co-sponsorship and connection to academic departments?
-- How can I make connections to local pc designers, farmers, and projects,
most effectively?

What else?!? I welcome your thoughts and suggestions.

In peace growing quickly
Ethan

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Ethan C. Roland
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