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  • From: Gregory Konger <gjkonger@yahoo.com>
  • To: permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org
  • Subject: Re: [permaculture] Similarities between the Jesus Movement...
  • Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2007 10:38:19 -0800 (PST)

Primal Parent <primalparent@hotmail.com> wrote:

>> > I must take issue with the assumption that being celibate somehow
>> > assumes conservation of resources.

>>An example: the Catholic priest who lives across the street from where I
>>work. He weighs in around 250 lbs. He has an >>SUV and a Harley. Does not
>>recycle. Or attempt to limit his utilities. Buys a $4 caramel latte
>>everyday. A few years ago I >>was behind him in the grocery and he had a
>>cart full of tv dinners, Hostess cup cakes, diet coke, and tabloid
>>newspapers. >>Oh, plus a carton of smokes....

>>I would be willing to wager that his impact on the environment is greater
>>than my friend who lives in the woods w/o >>electricity, grows most of her
>>own food (edible landscaped) and occasionally hunts for meat....and enjoys
>>sex.

Evidently, that priest wasn't denying himself very well.

None of us is perfect. We all need to do more to lessen our impact since
there is over 6 billion people in the world. If we show the world that sex
is so wonderful, curious and careless minds will want to try it causing us
more problems. I know from my own personal experience that sex isn't that
wonderful. Consenting adults should only have sex to bring a child into the
world as long as it doesn't stress the community.

>I would also like to add that native/indigenous peoples managed to more or
>less check population growth for tens of >thousands of years without
>industrial products like condoms, the pill or other birth control devices.

Good. Abstinence is even better. You don't have near jealousy or
covetousness with abstinence. For example, if someone is unable to have sex
because of a birth defect or because no one wants them, won't they feel left
out when the ones who do have it brag about how wonderful it is. I am sure
the indigenous people had their quibbles or violent fights over love affairs
if they enjoyed sex like you say they did. You see animals fighting in the
wild all of the time over the right to have sex. I came to the conclusion it
is not worth it. I feel like less of a threat when I don't have it. Peace.

Greg Konger



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