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  • From: "Lawrence F. London, Jr." <lfl@intrex.net>
  • To: permaculture <permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org>
  • Subject: [permaculture] This list and beyond || Re: re Invisible Structures or Hidden Structures Information
  • Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2007 18:15:59 -0500


I'm quoting all of Kevin's post because I want to address everything in all
the paragraphs, permacollectively, of course. I like these words:
permacollective, permanetwork, permacommunity, PPP as an acronym,
as in point-to-point protocol.

kevin s wrote:

I have been observing this issue of 'invisible structures' in the Culture of Permaculture for awhile, and have come to the conclusion that as of yet it remains pretty seriously under-explored for most PC practitioners and designers. an area filled yet with opportunities one could say!

while i hesitate to make the claim that "Permaculture" as a movement has yet to seriously embrace this field of work, (heck, i guess i just made it!) there are a lot of examples out there of course: collectives, coops, commutarian groups, local currencies, barter and freecycle networks, solari groups, etc etc.

here in New York we are creating a Community Land Trust that we hope will provide an important service in creating opportunities for equitable access to the land for local sustainable food production, housing, and the like outside of the destructive pressures of the machine of global finance and debt.

we think a paradigm shift (wherever possible) in land tenure is also a part of the solution that Permaculture embodies.

The time to do that is now. You do not have the luxury to delay. The world is
changing way too fast.
Big industry is moving away from Europe and North America to China in a major way. Will that do _you_ any good? will it help the permaculture movement? No matter. Permaculture is a movement that exists in a channel of its own and is essentially unstoppable. It is just a matter of using it, applying it, adopting it as part of your lifestyle and mode of personal sustainability. Which brings me to:

i am wondering if it is an unfortunate legacy of some of the Personality traits and priorities of Bill M. that has left this 'hole' in the movement as yet? it always seemed to me that the ideas around "invisible structures" in the original curriculum seem kind of perfunctorily added on....and so often on the last day

He created the base from which most of permaculture springs, a virtual
energy wellspring of creative potential. Just use what he has given us. If
you see
anything lacking then create it yourself using the tools he has provided.

or am i mistaken here? i mean this in the most compassionate way possible- but was Bill known to have worked well in collective horizontal arrangements etc?? and has this left a mark on the "traditions" and "personalities" of Permaculture since then? (pls don't take this as Bill bashing as that is not my point- more about "Individualism" as a value.)

I would love to see more efforts in capital "P" Permaculture to seriously transcend the paradigms of commercialism and commodification if at all possible; embodying Permaculture in it's practice so to speak.

We feel a Community Land Trust is an effort at this.

I would like to know more about community land trusts. I have been thinking
of transforming my
farm & homestead into some kind of small permaculture community that would
use the exisiting
on-site production facility for financial sustenance, research and perhaps
some kind of outreach.
A place for a few dedicated individuals to work and live and engage in
business. Something kind of
like the old convents and monasteries around the USA that are involved in
agricultural
enterprises of one sort or another, bread, jelly, produce, fruit, crafts,
etc. In my case it would be
vegetables, fruit, greenhouse and all-season production, research, writing,
media creations,
creating wooden craft items, handtools and innovative farm tools and
equipment.

I am wondering, not so much about a list of resources for a pamphlet, but what other practical efforts and designs are actually in the works out there?

As I watched NASA TV this afternoon and marvelled at the EVA being performed outside the ISS and later did a farm walkabout I thought about the possibility of creating a Permaculture Earth Station in the virtual as well as material world. A replicable concept for global use to create a Permanetwork of Permacommunities, an Permaculture Earth Ark
to span the globe.

--
Lawrence F. London, Jr.
Venaura Farm
lfl@intrex.net
http://market-farming.com
http://market-farming.com/venaurafarm
http://venaurafarm.blogspot.com/
http://www.ibiblio.org/ecolandtech





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