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  • From: Kai Vido <kaivido@yahoo.com>
  • To: permaculture <permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org>
  • Subject: Re: [permaculture] Lovelock/climate change
  • Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2006 16:37:52 -0700 (PDT)

Amen, Martin and Ben! I agree with both of you.

kai vido


--- Martin Naylor <martinwnaylor@yahoo.com.au> wrote:

> Hi Guys
> However due to the slowing down of gulf stream some 20% over last 15
> years ? we may be heading
> for a mini ice age, Scientist know some thing is going to happen but are
> not quite sure how what
> when or where, we do know we have run out of oil, not a drop left in 40
> years, aren't we lucky
> it is Life and Life only.
> Enjoy the game: results are released on your death
> Keep smiling
> Martin
>
> Ben Martin Horst <ben.martinhorst@gmail.com> wrote:
> webmaster@pfaf.org wrote:
> > We're not all fucked! Certainly those of us in the west are going to be
> > more protected from the effects than Bangladesh and other poorer
> > countries. Its also possible that permaculture plots may be more
> > resilient to the changes than conventional growers. Both Gaia theory and
> > permaculture suggest that a more diverse eco-system will be less fragile.
> >
> >
> I would argue that those of us in the "West" (ie, those of us with
> relative wealth) are not going to be "more protected" from the effects
> of climate change, although we may perhaps be more able to escape the
> effects of individual climate-change-related disasters. Meaning, Florida
> and Long Island will be just as soggy as Bangladesh and Bikini, even if
> Floridians have more means to escape individual flooding events than the
> average Bangladeshi. Then again, the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina may
> indicate that USonians really won't be that much better off.
>
> In the long run, accumulated monetary wealth is going to have a
> negligible impact on survival. Much more important will be adaptability
> and networks of friends, kin, or like-minded people ... characteristics
> that are arguably lacking in much of the "West." And long term, networks
> and adaptability are going to be much more valuable in the promulgation
> and success of permaculture than monetary wealth. I suspect that five
> hundred years from now, the descendants of today's "Third World"
> populations will have coped with climate change at least as well as
> Westerners.
>
> Ben
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