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[Gryphon <gryphondanu@earthlink.net>]

I came to this list for pro-active permaculture information and 
networking, not for pissy bitch-a-thons and ad hominem attacks.

If there's a moderator in the house, I'd like to ask that you put one or 
two folks on moderation for awhile until they can stop wasting my time 
by acting like children.

Thank you,
Gryphon
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Message: 3 Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 02:59:04 -0500 From: "Lawrence F. 
London, Jr." <lfl@intrex.net> Subject: Re: [permaculture] National 
Animal ID program To: permaculture <permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org> 
Message-ID: <440402C8.7000001@intrex.net> Content-Type: text/plain; 
charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Loren Davidson wrote:

> > At 1:05 AM -0500 2/28/06, Lawrence F. London, Jr. wrote:
>  
>
> > > > John Schinnerer wrote:
> >    
> >
> > > > > > Heather, can you tell us the name of the 'microchip guy' you spoke with?
> > > > > > Perhaps that will help people sort this out without needing to resort to
> > > > > > personal attacks on list members.
> > >      
> > >
> > > > Spreading hysterical unresearched BS to a large list isn't a great idea.
> > >
> > > I'm with John on this one. There appear to be two very different 
> > > points of view out there, and right at the moment, I don't know which 
> > > one contains truth and which one contains "hysterical BS." I am 
> > > willing to believe that both sides are acting in good faith, based on 
> > > the data available to them.
> >
> > Archer is right; a national livestock ID program is a must. As time 
> > progresses I am sure
> > methods will evolve that will enable small farmers to be able to get with the 
> > program and mark all their animals.
> > It can't be that difficult. Huge corporate poultry operations will have a 
> > task at hand of another order of magnitude.
> >
> > Do you farm or otherwise work the land in any way for a living? Probably not. 
> > Those that do will have to
> > defend their livelihoods, now and in the future, from those who would disrupt them through limiting access to their fair 
> > market share. This appears to already be happening around the world to farmers in 3rd world countries. These are issues 
> > you and js will probably never have to deal with. It would be wise for all livestock owners, homeowner to corporate to 
> > work cooperatively with the government to make a sensible ID program work, one with a level playing field with 
> > implementation processes that work for all.
> >
> >    
> >
> > Innuendos, hell. There are mailing lists I moderate on which 
> > namecalling like "hysterical BS" is clearly defined as a personal 
> > attack/insult, and would get the poster warned and/or booted for 
> > repeat offenses.
>  

Sounds like Fascism to me.


> > I don't think John is "implying" anything - he comes 
> > right out and calls it like he sees it - and I agree with him that 
> > your words are really uncalled for.
>  

Calling it like I see it is exactly what I did.


> > Whatever happened to "thoughtful and protracted observation?" Care of 
> > the Earth? Care of the people? How does namecalling promote *any* of 
> > that?
>  

What namecalling? You're fantasizing.


> > If we're going to start ripping each other apart over "matters of 
> > faith," we're going to do Monsanto's work for them. If you can't 
>  

Let's see you and js do more to help defend small scale agriculture, homestead farmers and local market farmers against 
the ravages of government sponsored fascistic rulemaking, subsidies and tax breaks bought and paid for by the likes of 
Monsanto, which with the rest of The Cabal would probably like to take over our food supply and probably more. If you 
want to rail at someone rail at them.

LL