permaculture

["Lisa Rollens" <rollens@fidnet.com>]

I'm LOL, Antonio.  One of the main reasons a dead horse is such a big
problem is that often a horse dies in it's stall.  Picture a horse all
stretched out and stiff with rigor mortis, and then picture a barn alley
that's too small for a tractor.  Or, if the tractor fits, the stiff, heavy
horse still has to be dragged around a corner to get out of the barn.  And
then, it has to be buried or taken to the buzzard cafe.  And picture the
horse owner standing there watching all this pulling and tugging on her
'pet' with tears in her eyes....  Don't even try to picture if there is no
tractor available or the barn alley is too small for it!!!  Or all of this
happening in the summer heat (flies)....or a frozen horse carcass in a
stall.  Dead sheep and goats go for their final ride in the wheel barrow!
Cows die out in the field if one is lucky.  I am just being realistic.  I
have 5 horses and one is 31, and I keep expecting her to not make it thru
the winter.  I am attached to them, but one still has to be realistic. I
know of a person in Ohio who had a pregnant mare die.  She had someone come
to haul it away, and when it was being winched up into the truck, the fetus
slipped out of the mare.  Expensive mare, expensive fetus, and then that
happened.  That just about did the owner in.  That was sad.

 Lisa, in the Ozarks of MO, USA



----- Original Message -----
From: <sinergyinaction@netscape.net>
To: <permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org>
Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2005 8:21 AM
Subject: Re: [permaculture] Horse discussion.


> Well
> thank you all for your feedback on managing horses,
> BTW why is a dead horse a big problem (more than a dead cow for instance
or a dead goat or sheep)?
> All the best
> Antonio
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Will Carey <cure@rtinet.com>
> To: permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org
> Sent: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 10:57:47 -0800
> Subject: Re: [permaculture] Horse discussion.
>
>
> Folks....
>
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> on 11/17/05 09:00, permaculture-request@lists.ibiblio.org at
> permaculture-request@lists.ibiblio.org wrote:
>
> >
> > Message: 2
> > Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 16:08:51 -0600
> > From: gaia <gaia@oneota.net>
> > Subject: Re: [permaculture] Horses in permaculture
> > To: permaculture <permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org>
> > Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20051114154254.01e60630@oneota.net>
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> >
> > hello.
> > gaia here.  I love that you are considering horses in your permaculture
> > plans.  I am also attempting to integrate (one horse at a time)
> > into my permaculture plan.
> > for her beauty,intelligence, her fierce spirit, and her loyalty,   and
the
> > way that she shows me how to communicate more deeply with the land;  for
> > all of this, I am grateful for the horse that has come to lead me.
> > her name is si marrone, Cimarron in English,
> > and she is my teacher in the process of taking a conventional
corn/soybean
> > operation in Northeast Iowa and converting this to a permaculture
operation.
> > As Lisa spoke of, horses basically take care of themselves,
> > good grass pasture and water is all they require.
> > and they give so much.  manure especially,  and their tremendous power
> > which can help us with many tasks.
> > not to mention their power and beauty.
> > but you must choose an appropriate breed for your circumstances.
> > Si Marrone is Percheron (old French out of Canada) crossed with the
> > American Quarter Horse(Arabian and Thoroughbred)
> > I would like to breed her with a Frisian or , my dream, a PasoFino.
> >
> > look forward t
>
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