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  • From: J Hobbs <hobbsj@efn.org>
  • To: permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org
  • Subject: [permaculture] Re: permaculture Digest, Vol 20, Issue 50
  • Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 11:24:59 -0700

Hello All,
I'm back reading this list after several months absence. Here are a few thoughts and references...

Quite the verbiage surrounding the cost/pay of a PDC...seems the key is no dogma- no absolutes-- what works with one region/person will not in another.


What I love to hear about is the life of Meg in Kansas--we need examples of how these whole integrated systems work... beautiful-- thanks, Meg.

References for Anne:
* Water For Every Farm. P. A and Ken Yeomans.
* Earth Ponds. Matson, Tim. Countryman. in McClarney


Response to Sandra regarding the question: Who was the seed Keeper? (Sandra Beerman)

Below is an An excerpt of an article I wrote for Oregon Tilth's In Good Tilth 2004 summer publication.

"..... My curiosity of what roles women played in agriculture have led me to this research."}
In developing tribes and nations the cultivation of soil was primarily in women's hands. Many ancient religious myths credit the invention of agriculture to the goddess. For example, in Egyptian records the goddess Isis is referred to as the inventor of agriculture and in Mesopotamian the goddess Ninlil was revered for teaching people to farm. The ancient Greeks called Gaea the Earth goddess and "Great Mother," and the Romans called her "Terra Mater," the earth mother.
As you see, many names represent women's connection to the land. Scientist Nancy Tanner wrote that in earliest civilization, "Women were the gatherers," which played a critical role in the evolution of the species. The children of these women shared food and improved gathering techniques. Women planted seeds in their encampments and began to tame young animals as they did their children.
This evolutionary period represents the birth of agrarian culture. As food gatherers, inventions attributed to women include the digging stick, carrying sling, sickle and other knives. Other discoveries connected to food processing and preservation were the mortar and pestle, drying, roasting, grinding and fermenting technologies, and the storage of food in baskets or clay-lined storage pits. Women also discovered propagation by shoots and cuttings, seed selection and the construction of seedling beds. Cultivation methods credited to women include the use of ash as fertilizer, work tools such as the hoe, spade, shovel and simple plough, fallowing and crop rotation, mulching, terracing, contour planting, irrigation and land restoration through tree planting. Women are known for domesticating the eight most important grains: rice, maize, barley, oats, sorghum, millet, rye and wheat.
According to Murdock's ethnographic atlas, in one half of the 142 advanced horticultural societies, farming was the exclusive domain of women. Women have tended the soil, garden and farm since the earliest societies."

A wonderful resources on this topic is: With these Hands: Women Working on the Land by Joan Jensen



In hopes of Peace and a sane outcome for the U.S. election,
Please VOTE!

Jude
Agro-Ecology Northwest Oregon www.cascadiapermaculture.com




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Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 19:18:22 -0700
From: "Sandra Beerman" <sbeerman@tymewyse.com>
Subject: [permaculture] Who was the seed Keeper?
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Hi, I have a question and was wondering if you all could help. In groups through history Who was the "Seed Keeper"?
Native Americans started out as hunter-gathers but at some point in time turned to "farming"? How about older groups? How were the future crops seed entrusted and to who?
Any information you may have will be helpful.

The reason I ask is as I was sorting my bean seed I noticed I had not taken care of them as I should have, Some had mold. Witch I surely would have been able to stop if I had made sure they were exposed to more air all along.
If this was the only food for my group I be in deep trouble.
This started me thinking about the history for seed saving, and wondering how different groups saved seed and who was in charge.
I'm not sure this has any thing to do with Permaculture but with out seed I guess there would be no need for Permaculture.
Thank for your input. Sandie OR.




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