permaculture

["Lawrence F. London, Jr." <lfl@intrex.net>]

Subject: RE: [permaculture] Inside Zone Zero essays online
From: "Harold Waldock" <haroldw@alternatives.com>
Date: Mon, 24 May 2004 14:53:21 -0700
To: "permaculture" <permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org>

Behalf Of mIEKAL aND,

Perhaps a more careful inspection of Permaculture Design writings would lead
you to a more authentic understanding of what has been written.

Bill Mollison in the Permaculture: A Designer's Manual lists "Zone 0 (the
house or the village)" on page 49.

Please try to be aware of what you write and its consequences. Below I set
out in simple if rather terse terms the likely consequences of what you
wrote:

Your suggestion that Permaculture zone zero is defined by eco-feminist pagan
spirituality is an attempt to:

a) confuse people about what Permaculture design is and is not
b) convert members of this list to eco-feminist pagan spirituality religion
c) falsify's the writings of permaculturalists by saying Zone 0 is never
defined
d) be off topic for this list by propagandizing for a religion
e) confirm in Bill Mollison's mind that California and West Coast N.A.
Permaculture Designers and teachers have gone "Woo - woo" in Bill's own
words.  What he means is that designers appear to abandon the scientific,
rational and practical focus that permaculture design offers while taking up
a mystical religious tradition in its place while still calling it
permaculture.
f) alienate list members of other religions from Permaculture design
g) set priorities with inappropriate weights. - Bill Mollison said in the
Global Gardener Video that Permaculture in the cool temperate zone is 50%
about housing. He then walks into David Holgren's energy efficient house.

However, religious practice and religious teachings of many religions do
have valuable things to say to the Permaculture Design movement, as it does
to politics or law despite the twisted 'separation of church and state'
arguments and can make for most valuable discussion and practical
improvements.

If you could re-phrase your writings to make a specific proposal for
Permaculture Designer's to accept in terse or plain terms such as how to
design for clients of your religion or how it can help inform design for all
people no matter what religion then we can begin a fruitful discussion with
out obscuring the truth.


Harold Waldock
haroldw@alternatives.com
Cell 604 763 6984