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Hi Max,

 

I trust Conondale and all the folk at CW are all well. We miss the area a lot – hope to get up there some time this year to catch up with our friends up there.

 

Thanks for the reference to Flemings – we don’t deal with them as the quantities we deal with put them out of the ball park on price. Also their G. triacanthos ver. Inermis cultivars are often rated as “fruitless” which suits their destiny as street/amenity trees – not so good for high carb stock fodder.

 

We deal with a company called Lucas Liners for much of our bare rooted stock – trees like Honey Locust cost about $AUD 0.95 each – from Flemings you’re looking at around 10-15 times that amount – often with a PBR thrown in for good measure. Our links page (www.permaculture.biz/links) has a contact for them if you need to source bulk bare rooted stock – the quality is first rate and the sizes are often quite large for trees so cheap. Using Lucas Liners has enabled us to economically establish broader scale plantings of Quercus spp., Robinia pseudoacacia var. Shipmast; Salix spp.; Populus spp.; Acer spp.; etc. etc. Their game is to supply the likes of Flemings, Diggers etc. with bulk wholesale seedling stock for them to graft/on sell to the retail market.

 

The G. triacanthos ver. Inermis from Lucas definitely is thornless – they are seedling stock and even after kangaroo attack they don’t resort to any armory – even the suckers – the same can’t be said for R. pseudoacacia var. Shipmast however. Once they get high enough though (3-4m) then they lose the thorns.

 

Had a client out at Tooleen (Cent. Victoria) about 8 years ago who had about 50 honey locusts in a block – most of which were heavily armed (2-3”+ thorns)– such to validate the like of Tim Low’s worst nightmare’s. They were inspired by early Permaculture – got some honey locusts (unselected seedlings) in for sheep fodder and now regret it – those thorns were something else! I have seen the results of similarly inspired folk who are a bit pissed about the whole pc thing – you can pick the early 80’s PC 1&2 inspired places a mile off…..Prickly no pod Honey Locusts, Pampas Grass, Bad Willows a swale or two – gravity water and a house facing the right way though.

 

If you need a species/price list for Lucas Liners (who have recently changed owners and name) I can fax you.

 

Thanks again,

 

Cheers,

 

Yours and Growing,

 

Darren J. Doherty

Applied Diploma of Permaculture Design, (Education, Site Design, System Establishment & Implementation) Permaculture Institute (1995)

Permaculture Design Certificate, Permaculture Institute (1993, 1995, 2001)

Whole Farm Planning Certificate (Train the Trainer), University of Melbourne (1995)

permaculture designer @ permaculture.biz

a. 103 Casey St, East Bendigo, Victoria, Australia, 3550

p. 613 5444 1068

f. 613 5444 0621

e. darren@permaculture.biz

w. www.permaculture.biz

 

 

 

 

-----Original Message-----
From: permaculture-oceania-admin@lists.cat.org.au [mailto:permaculture-oceania-admin@lists.cat.org.au] On Behalf Of EcoLogical Solutions Office
Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2004 7:58 AM
To: permaculture-oceania@lists.cat.org.au
Subject: RE: [permaculture-oceania] Honey Locust_"Millwood" Seed

 

 

Hy Darren,

Fleming's  www.flemings.com.au offer 6 cultivars of  Gleditsia. Most would be simply ornamental. Check them out.

 

Did you find that "inermis"definitely did not produce any thorns?

 

All the best

 

Max O Lindegger

 

 

Hello,

 

That time of the year again when we are sourcing plant material for the coming years plantings. This year I have a project (actually been going now since 1996) where I am establishing our third planting of Honey Locust (Gleditsia triacanthos) in a mixed species Agroforestry/pasture alley system. In the past we have used G. triacanthos var. Inermis (thornless). My research has indicated that the “Millwood” variety is also “unarmed” and has the high sugar/yield attributes together with an upright form (long term timber) that make it a viable variety for production purposes.

 

As such if anyone, preferably in Australia, knows or has seed or graft material of this or any other H. Locust varieties would they please let us know.

 

Cheers,

 

Yours and Growing,

 

Darren J. Doherty

Applied Diploma of Permaculture Design, (Education, Site Design, System Establishment & Implementation) Permaculture Institute (1995)

Permaculture Design Certificate, Permaculture Institute (1993, 1995, 2001)

Whole Farm Planning Certificate (Train the Trainer), University of Melbourne (1995)

permaculture designer @ permaculture.biz

a. 103 Casey St, East Bendigo, Victoria, Australia, 3550

p. 613 5444 1068

f. 613 5444 0621

e. darren@permaculture.biz

w. www.permaculture.biz

 

 

 

 

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