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["Michael Murphy" <mmurphy@ctsl.com>]

Like democracy, hydrogen is an ineffcient, maybe dumb solution - it's just 
way ahead of whatever is in second place.  How else are you going to get 
portable power to drive vehicles?  Biodiesel = global warming, and compresses 
air is, I suspect, a dream if not a scam.

        -----Original Message----- 
        From: Charles Knoles [mailto:charles@growfood.org] 
        Sent: Mon 6/23/2003 12:30 AM 
        To: permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org 
        Cc: 
        Subject: [permaculture] Bloody Hydrogen again!
        
        



        Hi everyone,
        
          I just got back from the midwest renewable energy fair in Wisconsin 
(it's
        2:00 AM, see how much I love you people?).  There were a lot of people
        talking about hydrogen and apart from the "free energy" kooks, the
        consensus amongst the energy nerds around here seems to be that 
Hydrogen is
        a big smoke screen that the Bush administration is using to make 
itself
        look green.  Shame really, I'd bought it hook line and sinker.
        
           Think about all the energy conversions and associated losses of
        efficiency and it makes sense.  Wind, solar or hydro energy gets 
converted
        to electrical energy which electrolyses water to create chemical 
energy
        which is then converted back into electrical energy so that it can be
        converted into kinetic energy.....   Aaaaaargh!    On top of that, 
fuel
        cells use platinum as a catalyst for reaction and there is not enough
        platinum on earth to put one in cars for everyone.  Maybe now that 
Bush is
        throwing money at Hydrogen the scientists will figure all these 
problems
        out though....  now excuse me for a minute while I send another 
email, it
        turns out that a Nigerian finance minister wants to give me millions 
of
        dollars!
        
        Peace
        Charlie
        
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