permaculture

["Anne Schwarz" <thegrayhat@hotmail.com>]

> Just because you find Barium and Aluminium in soils it doesn't logically 
> follow that some of it wasn't applied from high altitude, no more than 
> finding
> uranium in Arizona mines means that fall out doesn't exist.
> Scott

> I repeat Aluminium is a common component of soils being part of every
> clay molecule. Barium is often present in urban soils as a contaminant of 
> cement
> production. Metal ions present in soil in high concentrations often has 
> more to do
> with the soil pH than anything else.
> Bob Howard

> The chemtrails thing was a good subject to bring up without necessarily 
> ascribing to it absolute proven fact-- it's food for thought.

> Mike Elvin

I think it's interesting that so many of the contaminants we attribute to 
man's existence really aren't contaminents at all.  Be it Aluminium, Barium, 
Uranium, etc. all of these things existed way before we found uses for them. 
 I just found a statistic that stated that most of the oil found in the 
ocean really isn't caused my humans at all, in fact, it seeps up from the 
bottom, yet ridding the ocean of oil "contamination" is a major platform for 
environmentalists.  The only difference between this seepage and an oil 
spill is where and what the oil affects.  Creatures of the deep could care 
less about oil spills, birds do.  As for Barium, Aluminium or Uraniun, there 
are creatures who could care less about these things too.  It's only when 
they affect us that we label it as an environmental problem.  Even major 
campaigns like saving the whales, helping salmon spawn or cleaning oil 
covered birds stems from the fact that we find these animals appealing or 
usefull.  When we affect less desireable animals, the public's interest in 
preserving them flounders.  If we found out that deep sea squid were dying 
from oil exposure, would we care even if it wasn't our fault?  To tie this 
into the conservative vs. conservationist conversation (say that ten times 
fast), the only difference is that a concervative is protecting the 
environment with himself in mind, the conservationist is thinking about the 
fuzzy ducks too.  Theoretically, they should both end up with the same 
results.

Anne

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