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  • From: "Tristan" <tristanbass@yahoo.co.uk>
  • To: <permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org>
  • Subject: Re: [permaculture] Fossil fuel addiction
  • Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2003 20:24:55 -0000

Sorry this is a late reply but Misha, I just wanted to say how spot on what
you had to say about focil fuels below! Great! Glad some people have sense!

Tristan

----- Original Message -----
From: "Misha Gale-Sinex" <mgs2369@attbi.com>
To: <permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org>
Sent: Friday, December 06, 2002 12:36 AM
Subject: [permaculture] Fossil fuel addiction


> Howdy, all--
>
> Mark wrote:
>
> >This is a good analisys of the problem, but I think we can still
> >aggressively pursue sequestering of C in soils (and oceanic carbon
> >sinks). we know it's good for the soil, we know how to do it, and
> >we know people will still be burning fossil fuels for the forseable
> >future. Why not take what we can from a bad situation and move
> >things in the right direction.
> >M
>
> Sequestration?
>
> That's like a 690-pound food addict deciding they'll shit in the
> woods, and bury it, because that's better than using the toilet.
> Meanwhile, they're stuffing their mouths while squatting, then
> rolling back to the house to stuff themselves gaggy again.
>
> Regarding human induced climate change, the problem is mining fossil
> carbon out of the earth's crust. Period. It has to stop.
>
> It'll only stop if each of us slashes our fossil fuel use
> immediately. Cold turkey would be good, but if not that, then cutting
> use by 5-25 percent or more per year. Starting now. Not later, not
> someday, not maybe, not when chickens learn to fart folk songs in the
> key of C and science can document it. Now.
>
> This kind of thinking ("Why not just do whatever keeps us complacent
> and busy and on top?") contributes to the problem. It *doesn't* "move
> things in the right direction."
>
> The problem isn't a Sequestration Technology Deficit.
>
> The problem isn't that "We know PEOPLE will still be burning fossil
fuels."
>
> The problem is, what are YOU doing about burning fossil fuels, Mark?
>
> Have you set goals for how YOU are going to slash your fossil fuel
> use over the next year, five years, ten years?
>
> What are your goals? What are your fears? What are you willing to
> change? What, when push comes to pop, are you NOT willing to change?
>
> Let's be honest about this stuff--like the fact that most of us are
> perfectly willing to see thousands and millions of people we don't
> know and don't care about, devoured, ground up, by the fossil fuel
> energy system, so we can continue to live like the hogs we have been.
> (And don't even sling horse-dukey at me on that one, because I grew
> up in the refineries, my family worked for and was owned by Sun Oil,
> and we all worked for them, including me. I speak from experience.)
>
> Enough of this vague abstractionalizing about "people" and what they
> do or not. Fossil fuel use is individual and personal. Focusing on
> abstractions and the dream of a technical fix is part of Fly-boy
> Culture. There's always another abstraction to chirp. Another
> technical fix to prosper from dreaming about and promoting. Somewhere
> else to drive or fly. Something else to buy. Another set of feel-good
> things to say. All kinds of ways to avoid dealing with the blunt
> facts of the matter.
>
> That's what happens when you get skygods on the brain. Way too easy
> to zoom up there and lose track of life here on earth. That's what
> happens when you live in the culture/nation that is causing the
> problem by setting the standard for gluttony and engineering others
> to aspire to it. Live in that culture long enough, and it becomes
> second nature to retreat into the plate of cream, and let others
> worry about milking themselves to keep the saucer full.
>
>
> peace
> misha
>
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  • Re: [permaculture] Fossil fuel addiction, Tristan, 02/09/2003

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