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  • From: "Wesley Trotman" <trotmanw@bigpond.com>
  • To: <permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org>
  • Subject: Re: [permaculture] OT - Rome
  • Date: Sun, 1 Sep 2002 18:55:54 +0930

Hi Mark

It is sad to hear (and see these days) the drums of war.
I reflect that the estimate for providing basic shel;ter and water to the
worlds poor is about $20billion , the US annual war budget is $400 billion,
not that my country (Oz) has any moral principles to brag about as we lock
up refugees including children and unconditionally support US policy.

Why particularly pick on Iraq any way, there are many countries who are
ruled by dictators and are know to posses nuclear etc.weapons

Wes
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mark" <mpludwig@facstaff.wisc.edu>
To: <permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org>
Sent: Friday, August 30, 2002 6:30 AM
Subject: [permaculture] OT - Rome


>
> >However, I do not believe like many others that we repeat ourselves
either:
> >the agricultural situation in the later Roman Empire and the current
> >situation in much of the West is the same but different, in the same way
> >that Heracleitos spoke of never stepping into the same river twice.
History
> >is illustrative and thus helpful for perhaps understanding our position
from
> >another angle.
> >Jamie
> >Souscayrous
>
> Whats far more worrying to me is the US acting like Imperial Rome in both
> it's domestic and foreign politics. This Iraq madness smells of arrogance
> and global war. I remember a few days after 9/11 while driving to work I
> had a visceral surge of patriotism and love of country. Scared the hell
> out of me. I had consciously been rejecting cynical thinking and pity
> wallowing for months at that point, and had started warming up to old
uncle
> sam again as I mellowed out a little, but this was just overwhelming.
And
> scary because I knew if I felt this way, my rah rah jingoistic fellow
> citizens had to be having similar moments. Of course our blood thirsty
> president and his hawkish minions have tapped into this big time and now
we
> charge toward disaster. Hard to maintain ones optimism in such times, an
> apeciation of geologic time helps....
> m
>
>
> Mark P. Ludwig
> Poultry Research Lab
> University of Wisconsin -Madison
> 608-262-1730 WK
> 608-846-7125 HM
>
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  • Re: [permaculture] OT - Rome, Wesley Trotman, 09/01/2002

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