permaculture

["Jerome Osentowski" <jerome@crmpi.org>]

Yes it's all there in the ethics, and the principles, ie. useing biological
resourses.  I have just come out with a viedo "Natural Controls for Noxious
Weeds.  I have been growing here in Colo and other places around the world,
for 20 years,  and have only used chemicals  once, It was for the same
problem that you mention , leaf cutter ants.  This was down in Nic. on the
pc demonstration farm that M. More and I set up in l992.  the farm is doing
well and now has no problem with the ants.   We used a fungiside to  stop
the fermentation
in the nest.  which cuts off their food source. We also were using two other
natural controls with some success, cortilaria. We had planted out over
2,000 trees  on this burnted out peace of land.  The trees were like candy
sticks , and the ants were comming in from miles around . We were trying to
save our ass, and we did.  It's  one thing to write about what you should or
not do on this site, but when you down in the tropics , things can happen
fast.  In Argentina there is a supper ant , that is totally out of control.
That reminds me I need to get another box of borix acid for the carpenter
ants that just reappeared on my counter this morning.....
--
Jerome Osentowski, Director
Central Rocky Mountain Permaculture Institute
PO Box 631
Basalt, CO 81621   U.S.A.

Tel/fax (970) 927-4158    E mail: jerome@crmpi.org

For more information, please visit our web site at <<www.crmpi.org>>


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>From: Claude  Genest <genest@together.net>
>To: <permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org>
>Subject: Re: [permaculture] Re: pesticides and Permaculture
>Date: Thu, Jan 31, 2002, 12:48 PM
>

> That seems like a no-brainer : Pc starts with its ethics, the first one
> being care of the earth which by definiton excludes all practices that harm
> the earth and its inhabitants.
> Secondarily, there is the notion of working with nature, which of course
> presupposes that nature works extremely, exquisitely well....
> This person's use of pesticides is a knee-jerk ( T.I.N.A. = "There Is No
> Alternative") response to the appearance of "bugs" and betrays a basic
> misunderstanding of ecological, natural and PC principles....
>
>
>> From: Wesley Roe and Marjorie Lakin Erickson <lakinroe@silcom.com>
>> Reply-To: permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org
>> Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 06:26:20 -0800
>> To: permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org
>> Subject: [permaculture] Re: pesticides and Permaculture
>>
>> hi everyone
>> just got an email from a friend in a Permaculture Community in Mexico who
>> is here in Santa Barbara and received an email from her community in
>> Mexico. I was wondering what the collective wisdom is on Pesticides and
>> there use in Permaculture
>> wes
>> here is her email and
>>
>> Hi, just writing to you cause I'm too lazy to do the
>> research, I guess, and thought that you might know
>> quicker where to find the official Permaculture stand
>> on if pesticides are ever used in this system.  More
>> than one of my neighbors in our "Permaculture"
>> community have been using pesticides, as documented by
>> the following email.  Comments?  Comments I can share
>> with the community? thanks for your help,
>> barbara
>>
>> Dear Barbara:
>>
>> I spoke Colin about pesticides, and it was true.
>>
>> He said that according to permaculture principles, one
>> must try to use natural means, but
>> if one is  unsuccessful, one may use chemicals.  He
>> had those leaf cutter
>> ants, and  he said they destroyed 5 trees he hadplanted.  He said he
>> had no choice.
>>
>> Basically,  we  have all been misled in different ways
>> when buying this land, and there is really  nothing we can do about it.
>> I don't see that Colin tried other methods before resorting to poisons.
>> I thought we had to do everything organically on the land, but apparently
>> not everyone agrees.
>>
>>
>>
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