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----- Original Message -----
From: "georg parlow" <georg@websuxxess.com>
To: "permaculture" <permaculture@franklin.oit.unc.edu>
Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2001 16:17
Subject: tcm (was:Re: cultural myths and misery


> hi sean
>
> > Just as false premises can give a correct
> > conclusion, so too bogus theories can purport to
> > explain demonstrable effects.
>
> why do you do this? placing the above sentence on top of your reply to my
> statement about tcm, makes it very easy to jump to the conclusion that you
> think of tcm as fals premises and/or bogus. Having noticed your
deliberance
> in language and thought so far i cannot believe that you actually do
believe
> such about a matter you do not know details about. so why do you place
this
> above sentence there, right between my statement about tcm and your
> statement about tcm? i really would very much appreciate a truthful answer
> to that (as pm is o.k. if you prefer).
>
>
>
> > I don't know the
> > details about TCM,
>
> i am no expert either, but i am around people who are (for western
> standards), and picked up enough to be able to treat myself now. havent
been
> to a doctor (any doctor, inlcuding tcm) for about 25 years now. (which
says
> something about me and nothing of medicin).
>
> but i do grasp a lot about the underlying principles - unfortunately not
> enough to be able to pass it on. fact is, that i have been closely
studying
> with a Real expert (with a capital r), expert even in chinese standards,
for
> about 15 years. i have not been studying medicin at all, but in the
> traditional chinese context medicin, spirituality, art and
science/teaching
> (and design, for that matter;o) are not really separated. [and i claim:
any
> culture that has developed to a point, where you can easily separate these
> abovementioned fields to the point where you can be a recognized expert in
> one of the fields and understand no nothing about the others, has gone way
> astray and lost connection with the roots of life.]
>
> and i have gathered a lot of anecdotal 'evidence' over the last 25 years
of
> my life, to be fully satisfied that tcm is way superior to western medicin
> except when it comes to fixin the mess after an accident, or after a
> treatable problem has been ignored and repressed for several years and
> finally creates an emergency "all of a sudden". to treat a problem when it
> is still small is not prevention, but treatment and healing of a problem.
to
> ignore a problem when it is still small and treat the symptoms (=make them
> disappear temporarily) is stupidity, and nothing else.
>
> so to tie this into a pc context: tcm manages a system so emergencies
don't
> occure, while western medicin is good at treating emergencies (that it
> usually created first), and is ignorant about the very idea of systems and
> managament.
>
>
> > I was talking to my doctor
> > and he told me that for certain preventive
> > matters, acupuncture
>
> in my life i have seen numerous longterm healings, even of quite matured
> problems like severe depression for years, blood cancer, arthritis etc. by
> tcm - which means by acupuncture, herbal medicins and dietary measurements
> alone. and i have seen documentation of people receiving internal surgery
> while fully consious and watching the guys messing around in their guts,
> thanks to acupuncture. (these days in china they have both tcm and surgons
> working together).
>
>
>
> > but lots of other stuff can be found. Try a
> > search on your favourite engine for
> > "evidence-based medicine" and "evidence-based
> > complementary medicine" and "evidence-based CAM".
>
> why do you suggest that? i didnt get that point.
>
>
> > life do we escape this. Why do people feel so
> > pissed off about science for this shortcoming?
>
> i am not pissed off about science for its shortcomings. if pissed at all i
> am pissed off about people who are so culturally brainwashed that they
> regard other world views as bogus or inferior, without even bothering to
> take a closer look. i am pissed of about the all too many people who
believe
> themselves to have a "scientific world view", while actually they are
simly
> narrow minded and racist. i am pissed off about our culture, (which went
> global in the meanwhile), where it isnt the shamans
> (healer/priest/artist/scientist/teacher) advice that governs the world,
but
> the greed of the moneypeople, or worse: the fad of the consumerist without
> any agenda. i am pissed off about living within a system that doesnt give
a
> dime about the idea, that psycho-emotional development needs to be the
base
> for any other kind of education that might put you into a position of
power
> or social influence.
>
> but for the most part i am not pissed off. sometimes i am sad, and most of
> the time i am simply happy in spite of the culture i live in, and apply
> myself to create my own kind of culture.
>
> love, light and balance.
> georg
>
>
>
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