permaculture

["Dawn Shepard" <dawnjs@mail.wsu.edu>]

Toby,

I just wanted you to know that if you ever decide to do this and could use a
hand I would love to be involved.

Dawn
----- Original Message -----
From: Toby Hemenway <hemenway@jeffnet.org>
To: permaculture <permaculture@franklin.oit.unc.edu>
Sent: Saturday, June 03, 2000 4:53 PM
Subject: Re: Why isn't PC more popular


> on 6/2/00 3:16 PM, Richard Morris at pfaf@scs.leeds.ac.uk wrote:
>
> >The permaculture movement does need to prove that it actually works.
> > I've yet to see any proper analysis of a permaculture project in terms
> > of what was produced against the input to the system.
>
> This makes tremendous sense and would certainly be useful for building
> permaculture's credibility. I'd love to see it done (ought to do it
myself,
> since I've got the science/math for it--stab of guilt there). From a
cynical
> standpoint, though, since conventional agriculture is so incredibly
> inefficient (that famous 40 calorie in, 1 calorie out potato for example),
I
> wonder if anyone in conventional ag would care. Most large food-selling
> corporations (at least in the US) run their farms at a large loss and
> subsidize them with the profits from their processing, wholesaling, and
> retailing divisions. So efficient growing isn't a goal for them. But for
the
> small farmer and for those who are arguing policy, the numbers would be
very
> useful.
>
> Permaculture does make a few claims that are at worst untrue and at best
> unsubstantiated. It would be useful to weed those out, and
> progress-toward-goal evaluations would do that.
>
> Toby
>
>
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