permaculture

[Thilo Pfennig <vinci@alternativ.net>]

Russ Grayson + Fiona Campbell writes:

(Skye:)
 > >  Can we only teach Pc to those with sufficient
 > > education, access to information (and maybe internet) and a wide
 > > experience of concepts???

I think everybody can have access to the internet. There is no
problem in printing everything out. Internet is just a possibility for 
distributing information more easily. But it does not stand at the
end or should not gatekeep information.



 > What we say in our courses is that zone one may be some kilometres from 
 > zone zero, the
 > home, if it is an apartment or if, as is often the case, the person is 
 > renting and is
 > not permitted to build a garden in their rented premises. In these 
 > circumstances, zone
 > one becomes the nearest community garden. Now, I'm aware that some folk 
 > will say that
 > there is an energy cost in travelling to a community garden to obtain 
 > fresh food, but
 > that's rather small compared to the energy, road congestion and pollution 
 > cost of
 > railing or trucking the food in from the country.

Do you think it makes sense to call it "zone 1" if it is so far away. I
know this situation. My parents had such a garden. It works, but I
would not call those zones "zone 1"? Aren´t cities need a
classification of their own (well certainly it is often possible to
have a zone 1 near, but many cities like to see their public parks
occupied by private gardeners who grow their vegetables there.)



 > There is a valid argument, I believe, for developing an adapted 
 > permaculture design
 > course for urban areas. The fact in Australia, as elsewhere, is that more 
 > and more
 > people are living in cities and, if the cities canot be made sustainable, 
 > then it is
 > questionable that the rest of the country can be made sustainable.

Where to begin? Wastewater?