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  • From: "Karey L. Perkins" <karey AT charter.net>
  • To: "Percy-L: Literary and Philosophical Discussion" <percy-l AT franklin.oit.unc.edu>
  • Subject: RE: a good woman in a leafy enclave and living a moral life and where's God?
  • Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 14:06:23 -0400

Percy writes on the fourth page of _Love in the Ruins_ :
 
"I believe in God and the whole business but I love women best, music and science next, whiskey next, God fourth, and my fellowman hardly at all."  He continues:  "Generally I do as I please.  A man, wrote John, who says he believes in God and does not keep his commandments is a liar.  If John is right, I am a liar."
 
One supposes with this kind of prelude that our hero will eventually, by the end of the novel, work his way towards loving God most, (or, alternatively, God himself will do the work and eventually make his way up the list) -- whatever permutation to his real, daily life that might take (e.g.: retiring to a leafy enclave or crying out in the wilderness) but our protagonist really ends up having succeeded in accomplishing his goal of what he loves most -- women -- i.e.: finding a good woman.
 
I agree with you that popular culture, Hollywood, etc., has that (i.e.: boy and girl finding each other) as "an" if not "the" answer to our existential loneliness, and certainly Percy does in his novels, as well as his interviews.  Here's the question:  Is that a SUBSTITUTE for the real thing (God) or a MANIFESTATION of the real thing?
 
I don't want to get all Gnostic here and claim we should all lead ascetic, hermetic lives of denial, donning hair shirts and ashes each day, but really, and this is a real question here, not rhetorical, but, is God any higher on the list at the end of the novels?  What is the evidence?  After Percy's hero eschews everything of "this world" so he can find God, he then goes back and embraces the world.  Is this how it's meant to be done?
 
Along the same lines, to wax theological, Adam and Eve were turned out of the Garden of Eden, once they had "knowledge."  They can't go back - there's a mighty angel with a flaming sword guarding the entrance, pretty intimidating picture, I think.  So they must turn to Christ, and make their Kingdom of Heaven "on earth," but isn't it inside them, an inner heaven, and seems to be transcendent of what's going on around them?   Aren't we "in the world" but not "of the world?" I get the picture that we'll never be as comfortable or "one" with the garden experience ever after -- it's not ours to have again.  Isn't that what Percy wants to say?  Isn't that what the fugue states are about?
 
In the end, it seems God should be our "all" -- though that means loving others as well, but they are not our "salvation."  As Ben Jonson says, in "On My First Son," speaking of his son who as just died..."My sin was too much hope of thee, loved boy," and of himself, "For whose sake, all his vows be such/As what he loves, may never like too much."
 
Certainly, I, like Percy, really really want his characters to end up happily in love with each other and ensconced in a lush and fruitful garden living the good life for themselves and others -- "happily ever after," (hey, I'd love that for MY life, too!), but then we have a nice little romance novel or a fairy tale, not real life, and Percy seems to have gotten off-track.
 
(Who, me, a cynic?)
 
Karey
 
 
 
 
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Subject: [percy-l] RE: a good woman in a leafy enclave and living a moral life and where's God?

Settling down with a good woman in a leafy enclave and living a moral life, sounds a lot like Eden to me.  God is obviously there.  God did observe that was His plan, and that even before the Fall, it was not good that man should be alone and there is all that about from the rib, not the foot, not the head... from the Church fathers then the madonna and child.....  As time goes by, the fundamental things apply....whether 20's, 30's, 40's, 60's, 70's, 80's and on and on and even millenniums...

The Great Books, the hot bodsky bite of bourbon whiskey, chicken soup, and grits all in a cave in Lost Cove, Tennessee with Ellen and a moral life...isn't this as close to the eschaton as some of us should think of getting on this side of the river?  Isn't that the good life for Tom and Ellen, and Adam and Eve, and .... And if that option is not our vocation, there is the prophet/hermit crying in the wilderness and enjoying the things of creation and studying and writing and pondering.  Both approaches depend upon each other.  Praying, moral living, and tending the garden are requirements for all.

Percy wrote somewhere that boy and girl finding each other usually solved a lot.  That would seem to be indicated as well in common experience.  It's also reflected in the pop reading of Westerns...man spends 19 chapters clearing out bad guys, building fences, etc. finds woman in last few paragraphs, kisses her and book ends and life begins....or in the Romance, man clears out the bad guys, builds fences, etc. in first few paragraphs and spends 19 chapters geting around to finding girl, kissing her, etc. which it turns out is a lot more complicated than he ever thought and book ends and life begins.

Actually, I just found the quote that I remembered.  It is on the back cover of "More Conversations with Walker Percy" edited by Lewis A. Lawson and Victor A. Kramer..."You would like for your characters to get out of the fix they are in and achieve some kind of happiness.  The best way to do it, the easiest way to do it, is to fall in love.  A man falls in love with a woman or vice versa.  If both happen at the same time, that's pretty good."
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