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  • From: Jean-Claude Guédon <jean.claude.guedon AT umontreal.ca>
  • To: jhmiller AT uci.edu
  • Cc: ohp AT lists.ibiblio.org
  • Subject: Re: [OA-monographs] Monograph thoughts
  • Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2008 13:45:18 -0400

Dear all,

I have been following this discussion from afar because I was ... vacationing. I am not sure one is ever supposed to confess such shameful forms of behaviour, but here it is. :-)
Here are my two cents' worth: if OHP is going into the monograph business, it should do so in a very innovative way. One suggestion I would make in this regard is that the electronic publishing of a monograph could be done in a series of steps, rather than a nothing-or-all manner. Let me give an illustration of what I mean: suppose we create a network of colleagues who scan through recent theses that are in the open. Suppose further that these colleagues point to theses they feel are really interesting although their esoteric nature may militate against their even being published through the usual channels. Then an editorial board could take this list and create a selection of these theses while displaying them in the OHP site with room for comments and discussions. This means these texts would have been vetted by a reliable peer-review process and this could be very important for tenure and promotion deliberations. The next step would be to see which theses are eliciting the best comments. At that point, the editorial process leading to a real publishable manuscript could begin. The outcome would be an open monograph in electronic format. Print on demand could be organized for a fee.

This is but the barest of outlines of what I am envisioning but the main point is that publishing of monographs could proceed through a number of steps that, somehow, would correspond to an increase in symbolic value. In other words, we must move through the print/not-print logic that has dominated our thinking for the last five and a half centuries.

Best regards to all,

jc

Le samedi 21 juin 2008 à 12:49 -0400, J H MILLER a écrit :
Dear Gary, Sean, and all: I agree with the comments Gary and Sean have made, with a slight leaning toward new stuff not likely to get published by commercial or so-called university presses (so-called because some of them at least more and more behave pretty much like the commercial presses, in spite of their tax exempt status. We all know the reasons for this: reduced subvention by the universities, declining market for, for example, single author monographs or monographs by young first-time authors. Catch 22: you must already have published in order to get published.) 


I think there may be a lot of wonderful mss out there that are too long for journal articles and too short for books, i.e. 90-150 ms pp. OHP might well do a great service to scholarship by publishing these in order to prevent authors from trying to stretch 100 pp. into 250 pp. Some topics just come out 100 pp., as has happened to me this spring with a thing on telepathy in Derrida, Freud, Browning. Trying to make a regular-sized book out of this wd just dilute it. I suspect a lot of such mss exist out there. Either journal essay or full-sized book is a strait-jacket.


So: Short original monographs. That's my suggestion for the discussion. These wd need to be peer-reviewed, of course.


best, hillis

On Sat, Jun 21, 2008 at 10:17 AM, Gary Hall <gary AT garyhall.info> wrote:
Dear Sean,

Thanks, this is really helpful. And no, I don't think this is material
we have already talked through. To continue the conversation...

I wonder if it wouldn't be easier, cheaper and quicker to publish a lot
of the material you mention - books that go out of print and whose
rights revert to the authors, specialist monographs published in xerox
or photolitho, those which have exhausted their commercial potential or
which have no commercial potential - in a subject-orientated or
institutional OA repository? One of the ideas behind the CSeARCH archive
I'm involved with via Culture Machine, for instance
(http://www.culturemachine.net/csearch), is to make this possible with
regard to books and monographs that are cultural studies and cultural
theory-related. But I'm not trying to self-publicize: there are of
course many other such OA archives (although you're right, not all of
them accept books, I know).

My experience of being involved with the launch of OHP was being on the
receiving end of a number of queries as to if and when OHP was going to
be producing monographs. And my sense was that this was motivated, not
so much by a desire to have access to hard-to-get titles from the past -
although I agree with you, this is very important - but more  in
response to the general 'crisis' in monograph publishing in the
humanities in the present. People in the humanities are simply finding
it harder and harder to publish research-led books. And yet it's often
these books that they're most interested in writing and which they feel
can make a significant contribution to the field. It's certainly on
research led monographs that their careers often depend.

I very much like the idea of creating a pedagogical link between the
idea of OHP publishing monographs and those departments and institutions
that are producing skilled professionals for the publishing world. Long
term it'd also be a great way of breaking down some of the simplistic
oppositions between publishers on the one hand and academics on the
other associated with OA.

Thanks, Gary


--
Gary Hall Professor of Media and Performing Arts
School of Art and Design, Coventry University
Co-editor of Culture Machine http://www.culturemachine.net
Director of the Cultural Studies Open Access Archive
http://www.culturemachine.net/csearch
Co-founder of the Open Humanities Press
http://www.openhumanitiespress.org
My website http://www.garyhall.info




Sean Cubitt wrote:
> Dear Colleagues
>
> A coup,e of swift thoughts, as I have deadlines to chase this weekend
>
> 1. there are numbers of books which go out of print every year. Standard
> contracts seem in general to revert rights to authors. Republishing
> significant lost humanities titles, especially those whose specialism or
> timeliness militates against republication might eb a significant activity
> to broker. If scanned, such texts require a lot less production.
>
> 2. I presume Mark davis is on this list - mark's department and no doubt
> others across the world produce highly skilled professionals for the
> publishing industry. There might be a possibility of creating a pedagogical
> link to the mutual benefit of both parties
>
> 3. In my current research I keep coming up on 1960s and 70s specialist
> monographs published in what appears to be xerox or photolitho, especially
> in history and phlosophy of science. Unless a learned society has a
> monographs arm titles like 'The History of Colorimetry and Sensitometry' are
> not going to have a commercial life, but as in that case, sean F Johnston's
> book is the making of mine. I suppose my contention is really this
>
> Whiuch monographs most benefit from digital publishing?
> - those which have already exhausted their commercial potential
> - those which have no commercial potential
> - those which are urgently attached to the present - such titles might be
> revised for hardcopy publication, so might be considered pre=press, on the
> scientific model
>
> There may also be a category for which hyperlinking is of value, or the
> cheapness of colour reproduction
>
> My apologies if this is all material you've have talked through already, and
> thanks for inviting me to participate
>
> Sean
>
>
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Gary Hall
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School of Art and Design, Coventry University
Co-editor of Culture Machine http://www.culturemachine.net
Director of the Cultural Studies Open Access Archive
http://www.culturemachine.net/csearch
Co-founder of the Open Humanities Press
http://www.openhumanitiespress.org
My website http://www.garyhall.info






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