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  • From: Geneva <gggreen AT mindspring.com>
  • To: Thomas Grizzle <griz AT mindspring.com>
  • Cc: 'Lewis' <Lewis AT hivebody.com>, 'NC Beekeepers Orange County' <ocba AT lists.ibiblio.org>
  • Subject: Re: [ocba] What does "Chemical Free" Mean
  • Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2012 20:37:41 -0500

Tom
I agree.  While I think individuals should experiment in any way fit, if one of our goals is to prove the viability of alternative methods of mite control and control of other pests and diseases, then I think we should try adopting a plan that has behind it years of research and beekeeping experience.  Perhaps we could invite Buddy Marterre to come and speak or help with apiary setup.
thanks
Geneva

ps.  One of the most difficult aspects of CNG, to me, is the intensive record keeping.  This would be a good place to figure out ahead of time.

On Feb 26, 2012, at 6:11 PM, Thomas Grizzle wrote:

I think working within the framework of CNG seems like the way to go.  Of course, being new, I am hugely operating within the realm of ‘don’t know what I don’t know,’ so I defer to the more experienced if this is not such a perfect idea. 
 
On the CNG site, here’s that list I was looking for, prohibited vs. allowed “chemicals”. 
 
The most basic tenant of toxicology is, “the dose makes the poison.”  Basically, all substances, without exception, are poisonous in the right amount and/or the right orifice.  Water is very toxic in your lungs, as an example.  So I am happy to see that on the “allowed” listing there is at least some mention of concentrations and uses.  Others just say, acetic acid (the acid in vinegar), oxalic acid, lactic acid, or resveratrol, with no indication of why you would use it or in what concentration.  Oxalic acid is quite toxic, and is one of the active toxicants in rhubarb leaves, which if you consume will quite possibly make you very sick.  So “allowed” chemicals are still things to be careful with, no doubt.
 
Tom
 
From: Marty Hanks [mailto:marty AT justbeenc.com] 
Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2012 4:42 PM
To: Geneva
Cc: Thomas Grizzle; NC Beekeepers Orange County; Lewis
Subject: Re: [ocba] What does "Chemical Free" Mean
 
I agree Geneva,
 
There were about 5-6 of us from the OCBA at the recent CNG workshop and I agree this will be a great starting point. I was going to suggest we start there to the group and see what they felt. A few more may have been there that are in the bee school, but I did not recoginize them. I also like this as a reference point because it will help those following along understand the goals and guide lines.
 
Do you see this "CNG" Apairy (group) being an arm of the OCBA or a seperate group as we move forward?
I have CNG status here at our place w/ the only last detail being the inspection next month. So i can help the group obtain that status at the new site or sites after things get going.
 
tks,
marty
 
On Sun, Feb 26, 2012 at 3:03 PM, Geneva <gggreen AT mindspring.com> wrote:
Tom
I agree there needs to be clarification with that term CNG, meaning Certified Naturally Grown, has a very clear standard of what that means in terms of beekeeping, which is easily located on the web but I think "chemical free' is a little vague.  If we are going to create an alternative beekeeping apiary, I suggest we work within the format of CNG.
thanks
Geneva
 
On Feb 25, 2012, at 6:21 PM, Thomas Grizzle wrote:


What is meant by this terminology?  Does this mean you don’t treat the various adverse conditions of the hive with pesticides?  I suppose there may be a (long) list of things and/or practices that are banned if you are going “chemical free”. 
 
Thanks…Tom Grizzle
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