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From: "Jim Fruth" <jimfruth@charter.net>
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Subject: Re: [nafex] Pomona time!
Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2017 22:10:04 -0500

The purple raspberry that I developed will be sold by Hartmann Plant Company,
Lakota, MI, starting this year. Besides the really delicious flavor, two
traits make it outstanding. They are: 1) one 5 year old plant produced 16
pounds of fruit and 2)occupies 24 ft. of row. Thorns are numerous but tiny
measuring only 2 to 3 mm. high. Hartmann has been selling my Zone 3 Black
Raspberry and will soon introduce my zone 3 blackberry. common names will be
added upon introductions.

Jim Fruth

-----Original Message-----
From: Jacquelyn Kuehn
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Subject: [nafex] Pomona time!

I'm in need of your help to put together the next Pomona. Questions, with or
without answers, discussions you've had here or in person; your experiences;
please write them up--copy and paste works; I can smooth them into an
article--and email them to me. Thanks.

Jacquelyn Kuehn

pennsacreskitchen.net

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> Jim, I'll see whether I can find the correspondence with the fellow NAFEX
> member who sent me some seeds. I gave them to a nephew in Kansas but I do
> not think he had any luck getting any trees started. -- Sam
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> Who sells Siberian C root stock, please
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> -----Original Message-----
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> Sent: Sunday, March 12, 2017 8:36 AM
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> Subject: Re: [nafex] "Indian peach" seeds
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> Sam, you know anyone distributing the red-leafed seedling peach. I
> have a seedling peach grove with a lot of Siberian C and Iowa Indian
> white peaches in the ground. I'd love add the red-leafed peach to the
> planting.
>
> On Sun, Mar 12, 2017 at 7:11 AM, Hank Parker <hwpark@kahres.org> wrote:
>> I have two Siberian peach trees that are white fleshed and late/Sept
>> producing. They have been hardy for some years in zone 4.
>>
>> Hank Parker
>> Maple syrup makers never die,
>> They just evaporate!
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> On Mar 12, 2017, at 7:59 AM, Sam Brungardt <sam739is@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> I'm sure they cannot handle zone 4 cold. Should do very well in Zone 5,
>>> though. At least one of our members has redleaf-peaches. another
>>> seed-propagated landrace that is also very tough and prolific. When I
>>> was a kid growing up in Kansas, I had two trees that were watered with
>>> runoff from a chicken house. Very small, flavorful, white-fleshed
>>> peaches. Mom used to make jam from them. She also pickled them to serve
>>> with holiday meals, particularly ham and muscovy duck. Delicious! -- Sam
>>> Brungardt, St. Paul, MN (USDA Hardiness Zone 4b)
>>>
>>> ________________________________
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>>> Sent: Saturday, March 11, 2017 4:45 PM
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>>> Yea, these were also known as the Mission peach. I'm doubting they
>>> could handle zone 4.
>>>
>>> On Sat, Mar 11, 2017 at 4:43 PM, mIEKAL aND <qazingulaza@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>> I wonder if they are hardy to the upper midwest.
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Dear Jacqueline,

Year of Decision

Time will tell if my perception is correct, but that is how it has seemed in
reviewing 2016.

Two of three British apples were again found wanting: one cannot hold its
fruit in a low humidity heat wave and the other needs far better soil than I
can afford to provide anytime soon. So I cut extra scions of D'Arcy Spice and
Sturmer Pippin and included them in the packages sent to those who swapped
with me this past winter. They will be top-worked to American apples this
spring: Harrison and Keepsake.

I had sent too many scions of the third British apple, Bardsey, in winter
'15-'16, so got only a single, huge apple from this young tree. Although
spring came 2-3 weeks earlier than usual, the fruit still didn't come loose
for picking until the end of September, just as previously. Bardsey is a
light fruit: light lemon scent, light acid (in this environment) and light
weight. Although over 3 inches high and wide it weighed just over 9 ounces,
despite its juiciness. I cut only two scions this time around and hope for
more fruit this year.

Winekist surprised me by blooming in its third leaf, about mid-late bloom,
too. Since the bloom was far later than expected, I left two fruits on it to
clinch ID. Sure enough, it's Winekist. Two inch by two, red like a beet
inside, 12 Brix. Both it and Redfield look as though they will have drooping
habit as trees, and the places I had hoped to put them will cause problems.
Two neighbors have agreed to allow me to plant and prune for them, and they
get each a lovely apple tree without wormy fruit!

Neil Crowley told me he has good crops from Claygate Pearmain, something he
had sent me previously. The graft I had intended to use failed, but two back
up grafts onto larger stock, Bud118, both callused. With his encouragement I
now plan to plant both whips of Claygate where once the red fleshed apples
were intended to go. Claygate, I understand, has an upright habit, which will
be handy in the narrow area I want to fill.

The two top-working projects were the only grafts I expected to make for this
yard, until the host of scions came by way of people asking for D'Arcy Spice
(try it!) and other apples I have started. It appears this may be the year
when the yard finally takes shape, with a majority of American apples. I will
(God willing) graft every spare root stock left over from previous attempts.
Next fall might reveal a very different fruit profile than what was imagined
before this year.

Ben Sarek black currant again had tremendous aphid damage, reducing its crop
to a third of any others (Ben More, Westwick, Orphan - no name or parentage.)
I tore it out and asked for some in swapping scions. Black September came
(thank you Kirk) and two hard wood cuttings are in the ground, rooting at
this writing.

I learned something about using black currants: In making jam I did not
remove all the woody calyxes, which can take hours. (Someone said it was
possible to roll them between palms to remove them. Not in this climate,
apparently.) I put currants in the blender with nearly a half cup of water
and blended them. Then proceeded to cook jam. It worked well!

North Star cherry yielded its first crop, about 2 cups pitted. We made a pie
with those and an equal amount of Montmorency, picked elsewhere. Wow, bright
color and flavor: the Morello parent shines in North Star for color and
taste, but the other parent shifted its harvest earlier by about 3 weeks.
Only two maggots inside of two cups pitted. Win, win, win.

Dave Liezen

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Subject: [nafex] Pomona time!

I'm in need of your help to put together the next Pomona. Questions, with or
without answers, discussions you've had here or in person; your experiences;
please write them up--copy and paste works; I can smooth them into an
article--and email them to me. Thanks.

Jacquelyn Kuehn

pennsacreskitchen.net

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> Jim, I'll see whether I can find the correspondence with the fellow NAFEX
> member who sent me some seeds. I gave them to a nephew in Kansas but I do
> not think he had any luck getting any trees started. -- Sam
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> Who sells Siberian C root stock, please
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: mIEKAL aND
> Sent: Sunday, March 12, 2017 8:36 AM
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> Subject: Re: [nafex] "Indian peach" seeds
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> Sam, you know anyone distributing the red-leafed seedling peach. I
> have a seedling peach grove with a lot of Siberian C and Iowa Indian
> white peaches in the ground. I'd love add the red-leafed peach to the
> planting.
>
> On Sun, Mar 12, 2017 at 7:11 AM, Hank Parker <hwpark@kahres.org> wrote:
>> I have two Siberian peach trees that are white fleshed and late/Sept
>> producing. They have been hardy for some years in zone 4.
>>
>> Hank Parker
>> Maple syrup makers never die,
>> They just evaporate!
>>
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>>
>>
>>> On Mar 12, 2017, at 7:59 AM, Sam Brungardt <sam739is@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> I'm sure they cannot handle zone 4 cold. Should do very well in Zone 5,
>>> though. At least one of our members has redleaf-peaches. another
>>> seed-propagated landrace that is also very tough and prolific. When I
>>> was a kid growing up in Kansas, I had two trees that were watered with
>>> runoff from a chicken house. Very small, flavorful, white-fleshed
>>> peaches. Mom used to make jam from them. She also pickled them to serve
>>> with holiday meals, particularly ham and muscovy duck. Delicious! -- Sam
>>> Brungardt, St. Paul, MN (USDA Hardiness Zone 4b)
>>>
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>>> Yea, these were also known as the Mission peach. I'm doubting they
>>> could handle zone 4.
>>>
>>> On Sat, Mar 11, 2017 at 4:43 PM, mIEKAL aND <qazingulaza@gmail.com>
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>>>> I wonder if they are hardy to the upper midwest.
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