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[Henry <treehugger53ah@yahoo.com>]

Lee,

Do you know if the trees widely planted in the West, are regular Russian 
olive or the variety /orientalis/?

The Russian olive has been widely planted here but only the kind with small 
silvery fruit.

The follow up question is: if they planted the large-fruited variety, did the 
invasive seedlings still have the large fruit?

--Henry Fieldseth
Minneapolis, Minnesota, USA, zone 4


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On Mon, 9/12/16, Lee Reich <leeareich@gmail.com> wrote:

 Subject: Re: [nafex] trezibond date
 To: "mailing list at ibiblio - Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters" 
<nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
 Date: Monday, September 12, 2016, 4:17 AM
 
 I started some seed from
 fruit in a bag such as the one pictured. I have one
 seedling. In my experience, and that of others, the plants
 succumb to summer heat and/or humidity in eastern U.S. My
 one seedling is a couple of years old. I will be planting it
 out (it’s in a pot) this fall and see how it fares through
 winter and next summer. The tree has been widely planted in
 western US, where it was introduce by the USDA, and grows
 well there — too well; it’s now banned there as an
 invasive. It’s quite beautiful with its red fruits
 standing out against the gray green foliage.
 
 
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 PhD
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 > On Sep 11, 2016, at 10:18 PM, PATTY <jrplelie@centurylink.net>
 wrote:
 > 
 > Jerry,
 Here's what a bag of E. orientalis looks like.  Oh, I
 missed another synonym, Lotus tree fruit.  It is definitely
 not a Diospyros.  Traversing so many Middle Eastern
 cultures hasn't helped the list of names.  
 > 
 > http://persianbasket.com/sadaf-senjed
 > 
 > Jim Elie
 > 
 > ----- Original
 Message -----
 > From: "Jerry
 Lehman" <jwlehmantree@gmail.com>
 > To: nafex@lists.ibiblio.org
 > Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2016 8:47:34
 PM
 > Subject: Re: [nafex] trezibond
 date
 > 
 > On 9/11/2016
 8:29 PM, Lee Reich wrote:
 >>  (This
 red-fruited form has sometimes been referred to erroneously
 as the Trebizond date, which is in fact the date plum,
 Diospyros lotus, another small, dark, sweet, dried fruit
 eaten in that part of the world.)
 > It
 sure looks to me like there is a lot of confusion on names.
 Nothing 
 > new here. The 1st message on
 the subject refers to cleaning the seed 
 > with his teeth. If the Trebizond Date
 where D. lotus it could have up to 
 > 8
 seeds. Jerry Lehman
 >
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