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[mIEKAL aND <qazingulaza@gmail.com>]

I'm pretty sure Oikos pawpaws would be seedlings rather than grafted.

On Sun, Sep 6, 2015 at 1:57 PM, Henry via nafex <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org> 
wrote:
> Robert from the Men's and Women's Garden Club of Minneapolis has had great 
> luck growing pawpaws from seed he got from Oikos.
>
> --Henry Fieldseth
> Minneapolis, MN, Zone 4
>
> --------------------------------------------
> On Sun, 9/6/15, mIEKAL aND <qazingulaza@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>  Subject: Re: [nafex] Pawpaw question and observation
>  To: "Anton Callaway" <marillen@earthlink.net>, "mailing list at ibiblio - 
> Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters" <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
>  Date: Sunday, September 6, 2015, 7:48 AM
>
>  I'm about 200 miles north of the
>  native range of pawpaws, I was
>  thinking 0% success with grafted pawpaws was a hardiness
>  issue, but
>  maybe there is something else going on.  A few of my
>  grated trees that
>  died had done well in pots for a couple years and were maybe
>  1/2" or
>  more caliper.  Everyone has winterkilled, scion and
>  rootstock.
>
>  ~mIEKAL
>
>
>
>  On Thu, Sep 3, 2015 at 8:44 PM, Anton Callaway <marillen@earthlink.net>
>  wrote:
>  > I'd had 100% success of planting grafted pawpaws until
>  I tried at my most recent site.  At this site, I've had
>  100% failure, though understocks do great.  The most
>  annoying failure was a Shennandoah tree that grew well above
>  the graft for two years, then croaked this Spring.
>  >
>  > Anton
>  > NC Piedmont
>  >
>  >
>  > -----Original Message-----
>  >>From: Jerry Lehman <jwlehmantree@gmail.com>
>  >>Sent: Aug 19, 2015 9:44 AM
>  >>To: mailing list at ibiblio - Northamerican Allied
>  Fruit Experimenters <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
>  >>Cc: Cliff England <nuttrees@prtcnet.org>
>  >>Subject: Re: [nafex] Pawpaw question and
>  observation
>  >>
>  >>On 8/19/2015 8:56 AM, Louis Pittman wrote:
>  >>> My experience has been similar to mIEKAL's -
>  container-grown pawpaws that I
>  >>> grafted and transplanted a year or so later,
>  often grew for a year or two,
>  >>> then the graft 'woke up dead' after winter, and
>  the understock re-grew.
>  >>> Now... in-groung established seedlings that
>  were topworked to named
>  >>> selections... no decline or death of the
>  grafted variety.
>  >>>
>  >>> But, again, it may be that if I did more than
>  chunk 'em in the ground and
>  >>> walk away, they might have fared better.
>  >>Lucky,
>  >>
>  >>Thanks for your input, I would like to hear if
>  others have had the same
>  >>experience. It is quite common for a grafted tree to
>  abort the graft the
>  >>year of planting if it comes under stress. I've not
>  heard reports of
>  >>this following survival of the 1st year. This may be
>  problematic with
>  >>pawpaws and may be involved with the pawpaws dislike
>  for being
>  >>transplanted.
>  >>
>  >>In thinking about personal experience. I've only
>  planted 3 grafted
>  >>potted pawpaws and none of them survived the past 2
>  years. One that did
>  >>survive after the graft failed died the 3rd year.
>  But my experience with
>  >>only 3 instances isn't enough to draw a conclusion.
>  I believe it was
>  >>partially my fault as I may not have cared for them
>  sufficiently. We
>  >>need to hear from more planters of grafted potted
>  pawpaws.
>  >>
>  >>About 5 years ago I planted 33 pawpaw seedlings from
>  the IDNR nursery.
>  >>I also have a wild population and took the tractor
>  back and brought in
>  >>dirt from those root systems in an attempt to bring
>  in the Mycorrhizae
>  >>fungi specific to a Asimina and back filled the
>  holes of every other one
>  >>with this soil. I do have a water wagon that I can
>  hall 200 gallons at a
>  >>time and spray onto the ground, simulating rain. I
>  had also applied
>  >>pelletized sulfur to the ground and tilled in before
>  planting. They were
>  >>planted in well dug holes, not chunked in. (Lucky,
>  not trying to put
>  >>your method down as it's difficult not to do much
>  else when planting
>  >>potted pawpaws.)  After planting when active
>  growth had begun which is
>  >>when I normally graft trees I grafted all of them
>  using the Omega or
>  >>saddle graft. Of the 33, none of the grafts survived
>  past the 1st year
>  >>and only 3 of the under stock survived. It's hell a
>  be a total failure,
>  >>and after all that work of planting those 33!
>  >>
>  >>Jerry
>  >>
>  >>
>  >>
>  >>
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