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[Elizabeth Hilborn <ehilborn@mebtel.net>]

Thanks for shedding light on my persimmon mystery Lester,

I have a Wase fuyu, but not a Hana fuyu. Your hypothesis fits temporally 
though. The Wase fuyu is in its third year on site and last year was the 
first for blooms. Before that time, I did not find seeds in my Yates. I 
will look for male flowers on the Wase fuyu this year.

I have only found 1 seed in a kaki a few years ago (I posted here about 
it), but was not in a situation to use it. Since then, my kakis have all 
been seedless or at most produced very small, flat seeds, that do not 
appear viable.

Contact me early next September off list to remind me about the seeds.

Betsy Hilborn

On 3/28/2015 7:32 PM, Lester Davis wrote:
> Does any of your Kakis have seeds also?   If so I would think you have a Kaki 
> that has male blooms as well as female.  Hanafuyu  throws male blooms almost 
> every year here in Georgia, there are others Kaki  varieties
> that will rarely have male blooms.   If you have Hanafuyu watch it closely 
> when blooming to see if it has a male blooms on a limb or two.   If so and 
> you have seeds form in both Kaki and Yates   there is a good
> possibility they are crossing.   I would certainly like some of the Yates 
> seeds if you have seeds forming in Kaki and Yates under any condition.
>    
> Lester H. Davis
> Columbus, GA
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> From: "Elizabeth Hilborn" <ehilborn@mebtel.net>
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> Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2015 3:51:18 PM
> Subject: [nafex] My persimmons appear to be breaking the rules
>
> Hi folks,
>
> I have a single /D. virginiana/ (90 chromosome selected variety), Yates,
> on my property. I have multiple endemic /D. virginiana/ trees that with
> their small, astringent fruit, I am assuming are all 60 chromosome
> trees.I have multiple /D. kakis/ (all grafted, fruit bearing trees) that
> I have planted in my orchard as well.
>
> For the last 2 years, my Yates has produced fruit that contains
> abundant, full-sized seeds. My understanding is that the endemic 60
> chromosome trees will not pollinate the 90 chromosome varieties and
> produce full-sized viable seeds. However, all my kakis are all
> presumably ‘females’ as they are grafted, fruit-bearing varieties.
> It does not make sense to me given my current understanding of
> persimmons that my Yates fruit would all be full of seeds. Are the seeds
> somehow /kaki /x /virginiana/ crosses?
>
> I am not aware of any nonnative persimmons among the neighboring
> properties within at least 1 mile...
>
> Any thoughts?
>
> Betsy Hilborn
> 7a central NC