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Re: [nafex] Early pruning

From: Jwlehman@aol.com
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Subject: Re: [nafex] Early pruning
Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2012 10:23:57 -0400 (EDT)

In a message dated 3/27/2012 10:01:36 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
vmb@teakettlefarm.com writes:

> 21F this morning when I got up. Myrobalans, black apricots, peaches,
> Nanking cherries blooming like mad, but I'm not expecting a lot of
> fruit from them... (trifoliate orange blooming, too, but it won't be
> a bad thing if I don't get a lot of fruit from that -- there are only
> so many whisky sours one can drink).
>
Hi Mike,

I'll take the extra whisky sours you can't drink. ;-) Frost on the Myros
might not be a bad thing. Myrobalans normally over bear such that thinning is
necessary to increase quality and size. Frost might thin for you.

Jerry
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My apples were just beginning to open up the big buds, so tightly furled
flower buds were visible within.

On the bright side, the forsythia and daffodil flowers don't seem to have
been damaged (visibly) by the cold, so maybe it wasn't all that cold.

We shall see.
--
Ginda

Eastern MA, zone 6

Typed with Swype. Who knows what I intended to say?

"V. Michael Bove, Jr." <vmb@teakettlefarm.com> wrote:

>21F this morning when I got up. Myrobalans, black apricots, peaches,
>Nanking cherries blooming like mad, but I'm not expecting a lot of
>fruit from them... (trifoliate orange blooming, too, but it won't be
>a bad thing if I don't get a lot of fruit from that -- there are only
>so many whisky sours one can drink).
>Michael Bove
>Teakettle Farm, Z6 (MA/RI border)
>
>On Mar 27, 2012, at 9:51 AM, Maria Schumann wrote:
>
>> We had 14 deg. F this morning. I covered my kiwis with old sheep
>> fleeces which were heavy enough that they didn't blow away. We're
>> hoping that the apples were in early enough bud development stage
>that
>> they won't be totally hit. We'll see!
>>
>> Maria
>> Greensboro, VT
>>
>> On Mar 27, 2012, at 8:25 AM, Caren Kirk wrote:
>>
>>> Hey Steve,
>>>
>>> This morning had to bundle the kids up in full snow suits that they
>>> haven't worn for about 3 weeks. Even they were happy to put them on!
>>>
>>> Feel like a doofus for pushing some of the mulch away from some of
>
>>> my
>>> plants last week. Probably sentenced them to a death if not severe
>>> damage.
>>>
>>> At least the wind has died down here. With the sunshine it actually
>>> looks quite beautiful out. Shame it's -10 deg C!
>>>
>>> Steve, as you said, we'll just have to see what survives and
>>> whether we
>>> get any fruit at all!
>>>
>>> Courage!
>>>
>>> Caren.
>>>
>>> On 3/26/2012 10:31 PM, Steve wrote:
>>>> I'm not covering anything. It's going to be too cold and too windy
>
>>>> to
>>>> make any difference. Every time I check the forecast, it looks
>>>> worse.
>>>> When they were predicting 12 degrees, I figured it was early and
>>>> maybe
>>>> it wouldn't end up being nearly that cold. No such luck. Here's
>>>> what the
>>>> national weather service has to say, now that Monday night is here:
>>>>
>>>> "Clear, with a low around 3. Wind chill values as low as -8. North
>>>> wind
>>>> between 6 and 10 mph, with gusts as high as 22 mph."
>>>>
>>>> Those are Fahrenheit temperatures, of course. The only
>>>> "precaution" I
>>>> took was to pick the daffodils that were in bloom and those showing
>>>> color in the buds. I fully expect that flowers, leaves and
>>>> everything
>>>> will be killed to the ground. I really don't know what it will do
>>>> to the
>>>> fruit trees. What a spring.
>>>>
>>>> Steve (in the Adirondacks)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 3/24/2012 11:04 AM, Caren Kirk wrote:
>>>>> Steve,
>>>>>
>>>>> As far as this list goes I'd say we're neighbours!
>>>>>
>>>>> Did my pruning yesterday, there was a lot more green on the cuts
>>>>> than
>>>>> usual although the buds were all still tightly closed.
>>>>>
>>>>> Strange insects about with the warm weather, worried that could be
>>>>> a new
>>>>> problem.
>>>>>
>>>>> Not worried too much apart from the apricot, can't do much about
>>>>> it anyway.
>>>>>
>>>>> I am going to vigilantly monitor the precipitation though. A
>>>>> couple of
>>>>> years back we had a very dry, warm spring and I lost a couple of
>>>>> young
>>>>> plants (including a young apple tree) and I strongly believe it
>was
>>>>> through lack of water during the spring (never thought to water in
>>>>> spring here previously). With the rapid melt and warm weather I
>>>>> feel it
>>>>> could go that way again. But who know, it could rain all next
>week!
>>>>>
>>>>> Good Luck for Monday, I've had a success protecting plants in the
>>>>> autumn
>>>>> with sheets and blankets, don't know if that's a viable option for
>>>>> the
>>>>> scale of your fruit production or if it even works in spring.
>>>>>
>>>>> Caren
>>>>>
>>>>> On 3/23/2012 12:13 AM, Steve wrote:
>>>>>> We live fairly close to each other. You could drive to my house
>>>>>> is less
>>>>>> than 3 hours. After mid to upper 70s all week, I see the forecast
>>>>>> low
>>>>>> for Monday night is 12 degrees F (about -11 C). The apples and
>>>>>> American
>>>>>> Hybrid plums are showing green tips on the buds. The pears and
>>>>>> European
>>>>>> plums mostly are not showing green.
>>>>>> Apples are so forgiving, I bet they will be OK. I'm not so sure
>>>>>> about
>>>>>> everything else.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Steve in the Adirondacks
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 3/22/2012 1:49 PM, Caren Kirk wrote:
>>>>>>> Steve,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm suffering the same weather pattern as you with astonishingly
>>>>>>> warm
>>>>>>> weather beating all existing records by over 10 degrees C.
>>>>>>> Weathermen
>>>>>>> say that it'll be over tomorrow but I'm stressed about getting
>my
>>>>>>> pruning on the go all the same.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The yo-yo temperature pattern we experienced this winter seem to
>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>> continuing. I wonder how it will affect all my fruits.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Caren Kirk
>>>>>>> St. Jerome QC
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 3/19/2012 10:24 PM, Steve wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 3/18/2012 10:22 PM, Steve wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 3/18/2012 2:34 PM, sherwin wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 3/18/2012 12:49 PM, Steve wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> I'm thinking of going out and starting my pruning. It may
>>>>>>>>>>> not seem early
>>>>>>>>>>> to some of you but it's early here. I usually wait until
>>>>>>>>>>> late April when
>>>>>>>>>>> the chance of real cold weather is mostly over. I just
>>>>>>>>>>> checked and our
>>>>>>>>>>> normal high and normal low for this date is 37 and 14
>>>>>>>>>>> degrees F.
>>>>>>>>>>> Today it's already 70 degrees and the lows for the rest of
>>>>>>>>>>> the week are
>>>>>>>>>>> in the 40s. I think I'm going to start pruning, at least the
>>>>>>>>>>> apples,
>>>>>>>>>>> right now, even though it could easily get into the single
>>>>>>>>>>> digits on any
>>>>>>>>>>> given night for the next 3 or 4 weeks.
>>>>>>>>>>> Does anyone think this is a mistake? Apples are pretty
>>>>>>>>>>> forgiving but
>>>>>>>>>>> what about my pears and plums?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Steve in the Adirondacks
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Steve,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> As far as I know, the main requirement for
>>>>>>>>>> pruning is that the
>>>>>>>>>> tree is dormant.
>>>>>>>>>> Otherwise, you are going to encourage more growth
>>>>>>>>>> by pruning an
>>>>>>>>>> actively
>>>>>>>>>> growing tree. So it all depends on how soon you
>>>>>>>>>> can get out to
>>>>>>>>>> prune, weather
>>>>>>>>>> permitting. With all this warm weather, if your
>>>>>>>>>> trees have
>>>>>>>>>> already woken up, you
>>>>>>>>>> may want to postpone your pruning, or at least
>>>>>>>>>> limit it. Cold
>>>>>>>>>> weather should not
>>>>>>>>>> bother a freshly pruned tree.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Sherwin Dubren in Illinois
>>>>>>>>> The trees are still pretty dormant, very slight bud
>>>>>>>>> enlargement at the
>>>>>>>>> very most. Actually, summer pruning would encourage less new
>>>>>>>>> growth, but
>>>>>>>>> I'm not really worried about any of that on the apples.
>>>>>>>>> I was more concerned about a sudden return to very cold
>>>>>>>>> weather causing
>>>>>>>>> extra die back at the pruning cuts. Also some concern about
>>>>>>>>> the pruning
>>>>>>>>> cuts being open longer since there may be no growth to start
>>>>>>>>> closing
>>>>>>>>> them until May.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Steve
>>>>>>>> I'm going to add that the high today was 73, the record high
>>>>>>>> for the day
>>>>>>>> (until now) was 63, and the record low for this date is 19
>>>>>>>> below zero.
>>>>>>>> Normal low is 15 above zero. It's going to feel like a real
>>>>>>>> insult
>>>>>>>> when/if the temperatures return to normal. Steve
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Re: [nafex] Early pruning , (continued)
- Re: [nafex] Early pruning, Chris Carnevale, 03/20/2012
- Re: [nafex] Early pruning, Jwlehman, 03/27/2012