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["Kieran &/or Donna" <holycow@frontiernet.net>]

Melissa,  Lucky said he liked Kiowa so I got some and they are sure as 
thorny as he'd warned, but are wonderful.  They make huge berries that 
become very rich flavored when fully ripe, they seem to have some kind of 
fake grape flavor in them.  I don't know where you are, for us they come 
ripe in hot weather, mostly July.    Donna Z6 Tennessee