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["Ernest Plutko" <ernestplutko@wiktel.com>]

Some good info on Evans http://www.forums2gardenweb.com/forums/.../msg
0223441021460.html    Other info on NAFEX year 2000

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From: nave1@comcast.net
To: nafex@lists.ibiblio.org
Subject: Re: [NAFEX] Ernest's Evans cherries
Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2010 19:31:40 -0500

>Well, I expect I am mistaken about them coming in true from seed.  I
>am 
>a bit of a novice in this field.
>
>Still, it seemed odd to graft a hardy tree onto a not-so-hardy root 
>stock.  The idea that this is to prevent suckering seems reasonable.
>
>I'm near St. Paul, Minnesota.
>
>Dan
>
>
>Douglas Woodard wrote:
>> Dan, what you have heard does not agree with what I have heard from
>a 
>> very well-informed person, which is that Evans does not come true
>from 
>> seed and that Evans seedlings are not even cold-hardy at Edmonton.
>See
>>
>>
><http://www.ibiblio.org/ecolandtech/NAFEX/message-archives/old/msg036
>90.html> 
>>
>>
>> What is the source of your information, and where are you?
>>
>> Growing sour cherries on their own roots is apparently not that
>easy, 
>> and tissue culture is the favoured way. Evidently some nurseries
>prefer 
>> to graft, perhaps to have the whole process under their own
>control.
>>
>> You may be interested in the articles linked at
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evans_Cherry
>>
>> Doug Woodard
>> St. Catharines, Ontario, Canada
>>
>>
>> Dan Nave wrote:
>>   
>>> Why would one bother to graft Evans since it it is hearty on it's
>own 
>>> roots and supposedly grows true from seed?...
>>>
>>> Dan
>>>     
>>
>>
>>   
>>> Douglas Woodard wrote:
>>>     
>>>> Ernest, grafted trees from commercial sources would probably be
>grafted 
>>>> on Mazzard or Mahaleb. If I remember rightly you are in a
>particularly 
>>>> cold area of northern Minnesota. I would expect your temperatures
>to 
>>>> damage (in a warm winter unless with heavy snow cover) or kill
>either 
>>>> Mazzard or Mahaleb. Mahaleb is fussy about good drainage, likes a
>coarse 
>>>> subsoil. Any hardy rootstock readily available cheap to a
>comercial 
>>>> nursery is likely to suffer from compatibility problems. The only
>
>>>> rootstock I can think of that *might* suit is Prunus X
>Dropmoreana, 
>>>> Frank Skinner's creation. Forty years ago East Malling did some
>work 
>>>> with it as a stock for sweet cherries, and from what I recall
>reading, 
>>>> some clones of it were compatible with sweets and some were not.
>>>>
>>>> If your sources were what I would consider fully competent and 
>>>> honourable, they would have told you what rootstock they were
>using - 
>>>> unless maybe they were afraid their competition would find out
>about it.
>>>> This kind of competitive pressure is one of the curses of the
>nursry 
>>>> business. It's extremely hard to know if your supplier is
>understandably 
>>>> secretive, or crooked or irresponsible.
>>>>
>>>> Doug Woodard
>>>> St. Catharines, Ontario, Canada
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Ernest Plutko wrote:
>>>>   
>>>>       
>>>>> "Before" means before I buried grafts.  I was not doing a
>research
>>>>> study.  I was just trying to get trees to live through winters.
>I
>>>>> bought trees from several sources. Local and mail-order. It is
>>>>> possible burying graft is just protecting graft from winter
>cold. 
>>>>> This fall I will probe around buried trunks to see if roots have
>>>>> grown from Evans trunks.  I'll look up Evans own-root sources
>and let
>>>>> you know.
>>>>>
>>>>> ---- Original Message ----
>>>>> From: murphman108@msn.com
>>>>> To: nafex@lists.ibiblio.org
>>>>> Subject: RE: [NAFEX] Ernest's Evans cherries
>>>>> Date: Sat, 19 Jun 2010 03:14:46 +0000
>>>>>
>>>>>     
>>>>>         
>>>>>> Hello Ernest;
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I am interested in your Evans story. The trees that you buried
>the
>>>>>> graft union were better 'than before'. What does 'than before'
>mean?
>>>>>> Did you plant some at the same time from the same batch without
>>>>>> burying the graft? Same plant source? This is a decent finding
>on
>>>>>> your part. Please elaborate. Also, who is the 'own root' Evans
>cherry
>>>>>> tree source?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Murph
>>>>>>           
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