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1. Re: Looking for an unusual vitis species (Roy Johnson)
2. Re: Hybrid Moringa seeds from india (Roy Johnson)
3. Re: Hybrid Moringa seeds from india (
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4. Re: Hybrid Moringa seeds from india (Roy Johnson)
5. Re: nafex Digest, Vol 84, Issue 12 (Larry D. Cook)
6. Re: nafex Digest, Vol 84, Issue 12 (Richard Wagner)
7. Re: nafex Digest, Vol 84, Issue 12 (
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Message: 1
Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 10:40:49 -0800
From: Roy Johnson <
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Subject: Re: [NAFEX] Looking for an unusual vitis species
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I am not trying to get a 'pure' species grape anyhow. In fact, a hybrid
might be better than the Pure Species, which is tough to root, so that is
not too big a deal. It will at least be 50% Davidii. I plan to cross the
grape anyhow and it will be even more mixed up.
On Fri, Jan 15, 2010 at 6:06 AM, Road's End Farm
<
organic87@frontiernet.net>wrote:
>
> On Jan 15, 2010, at 12:16 AM, Roy Johnson wrote:
>
> I have a lot of grape varieties, but not Vitis Davidii. Wonder if anyone
>> else on the forum has heard of it, and if so, do you have a few seeds to
>> spare? Am happy to trade for any of my own grape hybrid seeds.
>>
>
> It's not going to come true from seed, is
it?
>
> --Rivka
> Finger Lakes NY; zone 5 mostly
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Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 10:47:10 -0800
From: Roy Johnson <
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Subject: Re: [NAFEX] Hybrid Moringa seeds from india
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I tried a few years back, to order seeds of a Native Vitis Species of North
India, Vitis Lanata, but had no luck finding a reasonably priced dealer.
they have one grape that has a tuber lilke root, a bit like a Yam! The
roots are more popular as food than the fruit.
On Fri,
Jan 15, 2010 at 9:38 AM, Richard Wagner <
rewagner@centurytel.net>wrote:
> I suspect they confused Celsius and Fahrenheit. 0 C is 32 F. Since that
> description of Moringa on Wiki says it does not tolerate freezing or heavy
> frost it is unlike that even a hybrid would make that much difference.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Larry D. Cook <
cookfrenchlick@yahoo.com>
> *To:*
jwlehman@aol.com ; Orchard and Nursery Englands<
nuttrees@prtcnet.org>; Danny
> Ganno <
danganno@yahoo.com> ; North American Fruit Explor<
nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 12, 2010 8:26 AM
> *Subject:* Re: [NAFEX] Hybrid Moringa seeds from india
>
> One web site said hardy to -5f another said 0deg Fahrenheit.The roots
> should be more hardy. Even so, this company recommends replanting every
> year.
> Larry D.
>
> --- On *Tue, 1/12/10,
jwlehman@aol.com <
jwlehman@aol.com>* wrote:
>
>
> From:
jwlehman@aol.com <
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> Subject: Re: Hybrid Moringa seeds from india
> To:
cookfrenchlick@yahoo.com> Date: Tuesday, January 12, 2010, 4:50 AM
>
> In a message dated 1/12/2010 1:01:21 AM Eastern Standard Time,
>
cookfrenchlick@yahoo.com writes:
>
> *Moringa
Oleifera*
>
>
>
> Good morning Larry,
>
> The first website I checked out said the following:
>
> The "Moringa" tree is grown mainly in semi-arid<
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semi-arid>,
> tropical <
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tropical>, and subtropical<
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subtropical>areas, corresponding in the United States to USDA
> hardiness zones <
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USDA_hardiness_zone> 9 and
> 10.
>
> As I don't own property on Key West I'd have to grow it in containers in
> the greenhouse. I'm not interested, thanks for the
post.
>
> Jerry
>
>
>
>
>
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From: Roy Johnson <
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Subject: Re: [NAFEX] Hybrid Moringa seeds from india
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Yes, that would be cool. A grape/ sweet potato plant. Double duty crop.
If only I could find a seed source.
On Fri, Jan 15, 2010 at 1:23 PM, <
piper33@verizon.net> wrote:
> I found this information in an old book that has been scanned by Google
> Books (The vegetable materia media of western India)
> Vitis adnata, perennial tuberous root, small black berries in clusters, 1
> to 2 foot long tubers with a core like a red parsnip. Flavor is sweet and
> astringent, texture is gooey. aka Cissus adnata.
>
> -Mark Lee, Seattle, raining and in the 50's, buds swelling on
native
> currant
>
>
>
> Jan 15, 2010 06:47:16 PM,
nafex@lists.ibiblio.org wrote:
>
> I tried a few years back, to order seeds of a Native Vitis Species of North
> India, Vitis Lanata, but had no luck finding a reasonably priced dealer.
> they have one grape that has a tuber lilke root, a bit like a Yam! The
> roots are more popular as food than the fruit.
>
> On Fri, Jan 15, 2010 at 9:38 AM, Richard Wagner <
rewagner@centurytel.net>wrote:
>
>> I suspect they confused Celsius and Fahrenheit. 0 C is 32 F. Since that
>> description of Moringa on Wiki says it does not tolerate freezing or
heavy
>> frost it is unlike that even a hybrid would make that much difference.
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> *From:* Larry D. Cook <
cookfrenchlick@yahoo.com>
>> *To:*
jwlehman@aol.com ; Orchard and Nursery Englands<
nuttrees@prtcnet.org>; Danny
>> Ganno <
danganno@yahoo.com> ; North American Fruit Explor<
nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 12, 2010 8:26 AM
>> *Subject:* Re: [NAFEX] Hybrid Moringa seeds from india
>>
>> One web site said hardy to -5f another said 0deg Fahrenheit.The roots
>> should be more hardy. Even so, this company recommends replanting every
>> year.
>> Larry D.
>>
>> --- On *Tue, 1/12/10,
jwlehman@aol.com <
jwlehman@aol.com>* wrote:
>>
>>
>> From:
jwlehman@aol.com <
jwlehman@aol.com>
>> Subject: Re: Hybrid Moringa seeds from india
>> To:
cookfrenchlick@yahoo.com>> Date: Tuesday, January 12, 2010, 4:50 AM
>>
>> In a message dated 1/12/2010 1:01:21 AM Eastern Standard Time,
>>
cookfrenchlick@yahoo.com writes:
>>
>> *Moringa Oleifera*
>>
>>
>>
>> Good morning Larry,
>>
>> The first website I checked out said the following:
>>
>> The "Moringa" tree is grown mainly in semi-arid<
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semi-arid>,
>> tropical <
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tropical>, and subtropical<
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subtropical>areas, corresponding in the United States to USDA
>> hardiness zones <
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USDA_hardiness_zone> 9 and
>> 10.
>>
>> As I don't own property on Key West I'd have to grow it in containers in
>> the greenhouse. I'm not interested, thanks for the post.
>>
>> Jerry
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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From: "Larry D. Cook" <
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Subject: Re: [NAFEX] nafex Digest, Vol 84, Issue 12
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Richard
The site said -15? degree C.? I converted that to -5 F.?? I believe that is correct .? In any case I know that everything I read is not necessarily correct. I do plan on growing it as an annual.
Larry D. Cook
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Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010
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From: "Richard Wagner" <
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Subject: Re: [NAFEX] Hybrid Moringa seeds from india
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I suspect they confused Celsius and Fahrenheit. 0 C is 32 F. Since that description of Moringa on Wiki says it does not tolerate freezing or heavy frost it is unlike that even a hybrid would make that much difference.
? ----- Original Message -----
? From: Larry D. Cook
? To:
jwlehman@aol.com ; Orchard and Nursery Englands ; Danny Ganno ; North American Fruit Explor
? Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 8:26 AM
? Subject: Re: [NAFEX] Hybrid Moringa seeds from india
? ? ? ? One web site said hardy to? -5f another said 0deg Fahrenheit.The roots should be more hardy.? Even so, this company recommends replanting every year.
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My wife grows her's in a pot and brings it inside in the winter. As long as we place it in front of a south facing window for some light It will survive in our unheated but insulated garage which does not quite freeze with outside temperatures down to 0 F. It doesn't grow but it doesn't die.
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Richard
The site said -15 degree C. I converted that to -5 F. I believe that is correct . In any case I know that everything I read is not necessarily correct. I do plan on growing it as an annual.
Larry D. Cook
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Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 11:38:16 -0600
From: "Richard Wagner" <
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I suspect they confused Celsius and Fahrenheit. 0 C is 32 F. Since that description of Moringa on Wiki says it does not tolerate freezing or heavy frost it is unlike that even a hybrid would make that much difference.
----- Original Message -----
From: Larry D. Cook
To:
jwlehman@aol.com ; Orchard and Nursery Englands ; Danny Ganno ; North American Fruit Explor
Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 8:26 AM
Subject: Re: [NAFEX] Hybrid Moringa seeds from india
One web site said hardy to -5f another said 0deg Fahrenheit.The roots should be more hardy. Even so, this company recommends replanting every year.
Larry D.
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In a message dated 1/15/2010 11:49:08 PM Eastern Standard Time,
cookfrenchlick@yahoo.com writes:
> The site said -15 degree C. I converted that to -5 F.
-15 C is 5 F, not -5F
-5F is about -20.5 C
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