Okay Ron thanks.. That was something I
picked up on the internet that Alborz and Ralli were alternate names for the
same thing. I was trying to use additional information to make
sense of my notes.
They were very clear at Parma that imports were brought in entirely legally
and cleaned. They also respected and protected the varieties they were
supposed to respect and protect. Yes the Shelly (but it was named after Ron’s
wife. I know both of them) does come of the cluster very easily. It
was set out in baskets of individual berries, not on a cluster. Ron also named
an apple Sweet Shelly after his wife some years ago.
I have forgotten the number of the
seedless blue Muscat
I planted from Cornell 17 years ago. It is still going for me here and I do
like it. NY never released it I was told because the performance was too
variable, grape and cluster size often too small and susceptible to botrytis. Is
NY65.483.2 a blue grape really packed onto the cluster?
Naomi
From:
nafex-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org [mailto:nafex-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of Lon J. Rombough
Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2009
11:35 PM
To: North
American Fruit Explorers
Subject: Re: [NAFEX] Fruit day U
of Idaho Parma
Alborz is a sport of the commercial variety Flame Seedless. It's a bit
earlier and colors better.
Ralli is a sport of a Sunworld variety. Don't let them catch you with it. They
are even using DNA testing to prosecute unlicensed growers of their varieties,
and Ralli is covered by the contracts they use.
NY 47616 ("Shelly") is one Cornell withdrew from testing because as
the name suggests, it shells off the clusters very badly. Tastes great, but
some years you can shake it off the vine with a stiff breeze. NY 65.479.1 was a
blue seedless, one of Cornell's old selections they never released. Too cold
tender, among other things. The seedless muscat NY 65.483.2 has good muscat
flavor, but the berries are too small and the clusters are so compact that any
attempt to increase the berry size leads to cracking and splitting of the
fruit.
Rombough Seedless was released more or less by accident, but I don't mind as
the patent fees would have been more than it might earn anyway.
-Lon Rombough
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On Sep 3, 2009, at 8:24 PM, Naomi Counides wrote:
Today
was the Fruit Field day at the Parma
extension of the U of Idaho. The facility and the program is under
considerable threat of being shut down because U of I has to cut 3.2 million
from their budget and cutting Parma
would “save $600,000. This is a place with over 20 years
working on this site. The irrigation system is amazing.. and the trees
and vines on it even more so.
There
was some major discussion of table grapes in Idaho. This is really a coming thing
seemingly. We have hot days and cool nights. It is basically dry
here. Nice for raising grapes. And I tasted a lot of them.
Unfortunately my notes stink. Now since I am not a commercial grower I tasted
looking for interesting flavor.. not just sugar water balls. These are
names I wrote down so I think that means I liked them though I no longer have
any detail on flavor or texture. Alborz (crunchy) This is one I already
have planted thanks to Ron Mann who is in cahoots with Parma and is a friend who lives up the road
and has pimped fruit trees and now grapes to me for years. Anahita also called
Ralli is another I tasted and like and I already have planted. Ron Mann’s
grape Sweet Shelly (NY47616), named after his wife was there and quite nice.
Looked like a blueberry and maybe tasted a bit like one. Here it can be
useful to have a grape that tastes like a blueberry. We have alkali soil
and blueberries are tricky to grow but grapes are easy. I saw a green
seedless by Ron L there. I really liked NY 65.0479.1. I would like
to know more about that one and I would like to plant it. I seem to have missed
Ny65.483.2 but that one sounds very interesting also. I like Muscat flavor. And
yes those are all seedless because my family is fussy about seeds and sometimes
I make raisins.
http://efallahi.com/documents/Table%20Grape%20Production%20for%20Idaho%20and%20Pacific%20Northwest%20%28By%20Drs.%20Fallahi%20&%20Stark,%20not%20edited;%20not%20fordistribution%20yet%29.pdf
By
the time I got to the tables of peaches there was not much left to taste and I
was getting pretty full even going one grape at a time. There were
LOTS!!! And there were plums, pluots, nectarines, apples
Mulberries. Very interesting presentation on size and soluables and how
to do what by use of water and nutrients to apples. BTW this irrigation system
uses 60% less water than the sprinkler emitters. It is 4 inches
underground 1 foot either side of the tree or vine. They do a really
interesting thing watering one side of the apple tree fully for 2 weeks and
starving the other side then alternating to increase sugars.
Saw
figs, jujube, mulberry, Asian persimmon, Asian pears, quince, walnuts and
almonds. Oh and the way they are now growing the grapes is vey neat and
shady to walk under. I forget which varieties but they had huge bunches
of grapes. They showed a 9 pounder but said they had one that went 11
pounds. Gorgeous.
Naomi
"Few
people are capable of expressing with equanimity opinions which differ from the
prejudices of their social environment. Most people are even incapable of
forming such opinions."
.....
Albert Einstein
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