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- From: "Stephen Sadler" <Docshiva@Docshiva.org>
- To: "'North American Fruit Explorers'" <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
- Subject: Re: [NAFEX] prune definition
- Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 12:45:53 -0700
Mark, Mr. Anderson commented on something that marketers here have
also noted. That’s why the CA prune industry calls the fresh ones
prunes and the dried ones dried plums. Sunsweet, a prune and apricot growers association member, now has
“PlumSmart – Fresh Plum Juice,” extracted from fresh prunes,
and their standard prune juice, made by soaking dried prunes – or dried
plums, they would say now… I also agree with you dogma; dictionaries reflect, rather than
instruct, word usage. I remain strongly dogmatic in some cases of modern usage
and speech habits, but that’s a personal, and cantankerous, choice.
I’m 53 – can I be cantankerous yet? The prune/plum thing,
though, is something where different people have different uses, and neither
group need convert to the other’s usage. ~ Stephen From:
nafex-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org [mailto:nafex-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org] On
Behalf Of Mark Angermayer Maybe some
of the confusion on plum/prune definition could be explained by a comment from Bob
Andersen, retired stone fruit breeder out of Cornell. Perhaps the
terminology is changing (at least in the east) to remove the
term "prune" applied to fresh market plums. The
comment was written several years ago. Of course it's pointless to be dogmatic on
definitions. Ultimately a word is defined (or redefined) by consensus of
the speaker and the hearer. For instance, it seems silly that an
Englishman would use the term "a flat battery" (tires go flat, not
batteries). But if I'm talking to a Brit, and he mentions his battery is
flat, I know he's trying to tell me he has a dead battery, and
probably needs a jump. He defines the word differently than I, and
that's OK. Bob
Andersen: "It
used to be that [eastern] USA fruit growers called European-type plums prunes
even if the fruit was sold fresh and not dried. Now most plum
marketers strongly believe that the word prune has negative connotations to
most consumers. They have done market research that reveals that
“prune” is associated with old, and we all know old is bad (tongue
in cheek)." Reference: http://www.nysaes.cornell.edu/hort/faculty/andersen/New%20England%20Stone%20fruit%20varieties.do.htm Mark KS |
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[NAFEX] prune definition,
Alan Haigh, 09/18/2008
- Re: [NAFEX] prune definition, John S, 09/18/2008
- Re: [NAFEX] prune definition, Douglas Woodard, 09/18/2008
- Re: [NAFEX] prune definition, Ginda Fisher, 09/18/2008
- Re: [NAFEX] prune definition, Dr. Chiranjit Parmar, 09/19/2008
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Re: [NAFEX] prune definition,
Stephen Sadler, 09/19/2008
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Re: [NAFEX] prune definition,
Mark Angermayer, 09/19/2008
- Re: [NAFEX] prune definition, Stephen Sadler, 09/19/2008
- Re: [NAFEX] prune definition, Steve, 09/19/2008
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Re: [NAFEX] prune definition,
Mark Angermayer, 09/19/2008
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[NAFEX] prune definition,
Alan Haigh, 09/21/2008
- Re: [NAFEX] prune definition, Stephen Sadler, 09/22/2008
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