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["Dr. Chiranjit Parmar" <parmarch_mnd@dataone.in>]

Thanks for the hardwork for research.  The information is really 
interesting.

Dr. Chiranjit Parmar
www.fruitipedia.com
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Michael Dossett" <phainopepla@yahoo.com>
To: "North American Fruit Explorers" <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
Sent: Friday, April 25, 2008 8:36 PM
Subject: Re: [NAFEX] Himalayan blackberry - Why it is called Himalayan.


> I intimated a little bit about this the other day in
> my post....
>
> > From Jennings. 1988.  Raspberries and Blackberries,
> their diseases breeding and growth:
>
> Rubus procerus [aremeniacus] is native to northern
> Iran, from where it has spread across southern Europe
> to France.  Its occurrence in Britain and other parts
> is almost certainly due to escape from gardens, and
> though Watson (1958) noted that it was identical with
> R. thyrsoides, which was collected at Holyhead in 1895
> and in Cornwall in 1904, he considered that it was
> most unlikely to be native to Britain.  It is said to
> have been a troublesome weed in New Zealand since
> before 1895.  Luther Burbank introduced a cultivar of
> it to America in 1885 under the name "Himalaya Giant",
> believing that it was derived from seed obtained from
> Asian mountains.  This name is now used almost
> exclusively for all cultivated forms, though they are
> probably all derived from the stock that Theodor
> Reimers of Hamburg introduced into Germany about
> 1889...
>
> It goes on a little further to talk about the
> weediness, range in North America, range of variation
> (which is surprising considering it is an apomictic
> species) and it's fruit quality.  So there you have
> it.  In my opinion Burbank's assumption as to the
> plant's origin wasn't a terrible one.  China and Asia
> appear to be the main center of Rubus diversity in the
> world.
>
> Michael
>
>
>
>
> --- Douglas Woodard <dwoodard@becon.org> wrote:
>
> > Full name "Himalayan Giant" also used in U.K. for
> > many years.
> >
> > As to "why": many nurserymen will use any name that
> > sells sometimes
> > regardless of what the plant is. There is and has
> > long been a very wide
> > range of ethical standards in the business. Maybe it
> > was thought to have
> > associations of bigness of fruit because of the size
> > of the Himalayan
> > mountains.
> >
> > I think we might have to wait on some scholar who
> > has access to old
> > catalogues and horticultural literature to do
> > literature research.
> >
> > Doug Woodard
> > St. Catharines, Ontario, Canada
> >
> >
> > Dr. Chiranjit Parmar wrote:
> > > Dear all,
> > >
> > > I saw all my books/floras on Himalayan plants.  I
> > did not find it listed
> > > anywhere.  So I do not think that it is plant from
> > Himalayan region,
> > > even from India.
> > >
> > > Why it has been named as Himalayan blackberry in
> > USA.
> > >
> > > Dr. Chiranjit Parmar
> > > www.fruitipedia.com <http://www.fruitipedia.com>
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> Michael Dossett
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