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  • From: "Anthony Curcio" <apc@vassolinc.com>
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  • Subject: Re: [NAFEX] nafex Digest, Vol 57, Issue 28 ( Bee Forage) (apc@vassolinc.com)
  • Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2007 14:15:15 -0500

Hi Ross,
Honey Plants of North America by Lovell is the Bible
for honey plants. Both Yellow sweet blossom and White sweet blossom
are considered one of the best sources. These are not to be confused with
common white clover. There was an abundance of sweet clovers when farmers
used them to build natural Nitrogen into the soil. Today Nitrogen comes
in tanks. Be aware that clovers are aggressive. The sweets stand 24" - 48" tall and
bloom about two weeks apart. I'm not sure they would be considered early but
should be on any honey list.
Anthony
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Today's Topics:

1. soil ph (Jerrydana5@aol.com)
2. bees forage (rossdaman00dub@juno.com)
3. Re: bees forage (Lon J. Rombough)
4. Re: bees forage (Diane Whitehead)
5. Re: bees forage (Hilborn.E@epamail.epa.gov)
6. Re: bees forage (MARIE ASHTON)
7. Re: bees forage (rob hamilton)
8. Pomona copies (Martha L. Davis)
9. Re: Hybridizing question and the potential to get pollen in
spring? (Michael Dossett)


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Message: 1
Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2007 12:39:12 EDT
From: Jerrydana5@aol.com
Subject: [NAFEX] soil ph
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I have added quite a bit of horse manure to my soil which has a fair amount
of clay and now it is very fertile (by actual test) but too basic, probably
because the manure contained quite a bit of urine. It tills up wonderfully.
Would gypsum bring down the ph? I also have quite a few pine needles which I
am going to till in. Thanks. Jerry in southern Indiana



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Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2007 17:09:19 GMT
From: "rossdaman00dub@juno.com" <rossdaman00dub@juno.com>
Subject: [NAFEX] bees forage
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Hello all
I am planing to get a bee swarm soon and am designing a plant list to cover all times of year.
I am particularly interested in early flowering plants, if any of you could give any sugestions.
thanks so much
Ross
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Message: 3
Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2007 10:17:50 -0700
From: "Lon J. Rombough" <lonrom@hevanet.com>
Subject: Re: [NAFEX] bees forage
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Dandelions and maple trees are about the earliest honey sources here in
the NW.
-Lon Rombough
Grapes, writing, consulting, my book, The Grape Grower, at
http://www.bunchgrapes.com Winner of the Garden Writers Association
"Best Talent in Writing" award for 2003.
For even more grape lessons, go to http://www.grapeschool.com
For all other things grape, http://www.vitisearch.com

On Oct 9, 2007, at 10:09 AM, rossdaman00dub@juno.com wrote:




Hello all
I am planing to get a bee swarm soon and am designing a plant list to
cover all times of year.
I am particularly interested in early flowering plants, if any of you
could give any sugestions.
thanks so much
Ross
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Message: 4
Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2007 10:23:17 -0700
From: Diane Whitehead <voltaire@islandnet.com>
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Snowdrops and crocus - you can buy the bulbs by the hundred. Be sure
to plant them where the sun will shine on them or else the flowers
remain closed.


Diane Whitehead






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Message: 5
Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2007 13:28:41 -0400
From: Hilborn.E@epamail.epa.gov
Subject: Re: [NAFEX] bees forage
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I don't know where you are, but there is a nice table of plants and
bloom times for Ohio, available here:

http://ohioline.osu.edu/hyg-fact/2000/2168.html

Betsy Hilborn
7a NC



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Message: 6
Date: Tue, 09 Oct 2007 12:35:39 -0500
From: "MARIE ASHTON" <bwoodtx@verizon.net>
Subject: Re: [NAFEX] bees forage
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You will find that many of the early flowers that bees are attracted too are
wild flowers and of course early flowering fruit trees. Check with someone
in your area that is knowledgeable about which wildflowers bloom early.
Many beekeepers feed sugar syrup in early spring to help build up their
colonies so that there will be more bees when the main flower bloom periods
occur (more bees = more honey & pollination.)

Regards,
Richard Ashton
Oak Creek Orchard
www.oakcreekorchard.com
bwoodtx@verizon.net

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Subject: [NAFEX] bees forage





Hello all
I am planing to get a bee swarm soon and am designing a plant list to
cover all times of year.
I am particularly interested in early flowering plants, if any of you
could give any sugestions.
thanks so much
Ross
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Message: 7
Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2007 10:51:20 -0700 (PDT)
From: rob hamilton <lostman_amiga@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [NAFEX] bees forage
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Bees of all kinds seem to love my Nanking cherry bushes. They bloom around the last week in of Feb. in Atlanta,GA.
I know thet sounds very early, but we do seem to get these warn spell in late winter. The flowers are very cold hardy too.

Robert

"rossdaman00dub@juno.com" <rossdaman00dub@juno.com> wrote:


Hello all
I am planing to get a bee swarm soon and am designing a plant list to cover all times of year.
I am particularly interested in early flowering plants, if any of you could give any sugestions.
thanks so much
Ross
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Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2007 11:54:02 -0600 (GMT-06:00)
From: "Martha L. Davis" <martha_davis@earthlink.net>
Subject: [NAFEX] Pomona copies
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I should have sent this to the whole list and not just James. Please do remember that there is a lot of variation in the times that Pomona arrives in different parts of the country. Mine comes to New Mexico later than the west coast and up to two weeks later than my friends in Illinois recieve it. The last time I emailed about a missing issue my copy showed up a day or two later. That said, the post office does eat an occational copy and accidents do happen.



Regarding missing Pomona copies. (This is not for all missing copies just when you are sure the current one isn't going to arrive). Send a email to Jill Vorbeck our membership chair vorbeck@csj.net . Jill is responsible for sending out Pomona and keeping current the membership lists. She lost her husband unexpectedly in fall 2005, so we have to cut her some slack around that time, though at this point things ought to be back to normal. I hope you are not waiting for a reminder card for renewals, but are looking at the label on the Pomona and renewing when you get the one that says last. The cards are an extra expense for NAFEX and are sent out so that we don't permanently lose people who forget to renew, but are not meant to go out to everyone for each of their renewals. Sometimes back copies are available through the librarian, but we are tending to print few extras due to costs. I haven't gotten my fall copy yet, but the New Mexico copies arrive even later than the w
est coast ones (that should not be a problem for you, if you are really in Wisconsin, as they are mailed from Illinois). If mine doesn't arrive soon I will email Jill and request one.

Martha Davis

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Message: 9
Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2007 11:21:13 -0700 (PDT)
From: Michael Dossett <phainopepla@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [NAFEX] Hybridizing question and the potential to get
pollen in spring?
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It might be possible to cut twigs and break dormancy
inside to get them to bloom but I wonder what the
feasibility is of trying to do the crosses in the
other direction i.e. save pollen from your earlier
blooming trees and then dry it and refrigerate it for
a couple months until the other trees bloom and then
make a second trip back up there later to collect the
fruit for seed...


--- MARIE ASHTON <bwoodtx@verizon.net> wrote:

You can do several things. - spraying rest breaking
chemicals such as dormex you can cause the flower
buds to bloom earlier - You can freeze dry pollen
for next year from the later blooming trees up north
- and you can buy or dig up a tree that is large
enough to produce flowers while it is dormant this
winter. In the greenhouse it will bloom earlier than
it normally would (if it gets enough winter chilling
first.) I believe that Out Back Nursery in Minnesota
has Pin Cherry trees for sale.

Regards,
Richard Ashton
Oak Creek Orchard
www.oakcreekorchard.com
bwoodtx@verizon.net

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Sent: Monday, October 08, 2007 12:32 AM
Subject: [NAFEX] Hybridizing question and the
potential to get pollen in spring?


Is there a method of saving dormant adult wood of
any stone fruit (prunus) in getting the dormant
flowering buds to produce viable pollen, and if so
how to proceed?

Over a year ago I planted a sweet cherry in my
greenhouse and a pin cherry graft in a pot with lots
of sun with plans on using pin cherry pollen to
hybridize in isolation with the sweet. The good
thing is that the sweet cherry is mature enough to
experience a second full bloom so should be ready to
fruit on gisela-5 but my potted pin cherry (self
grafted /mazzard F12/1) probably will not set the
amount of pollen I would like to have, if anything.

It comes to be a problem since the pin cherry
grove is in a much northerly climate and blooms 2
months way too late.

RFH
location: Southern Washington State zone-6



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