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  • From: "Anthony Curcio" <apc@vassolinc.com>
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  • Subject: Re: [NAFEX] nafex Digest, Vol 53, Issue 59 " Pumping water "
  • Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 11:48:23 -0500

Donna,
Have you thought of a "Ram Pump" ?
If you have enough flow and drop in your stream
it would work. We use a siphon from our pond to get the required
"drop" through a 1" pipe. The pump ( we built our own ) supplies a 1200gal tank
that is 35 ' above our orchard. The tank is 65' above the pump and 700' from the pump.
I'm sure it would pump higher and further if needed.
We use battery operated lawn sprinkler timers and the whole system runs
without gas or line electricity.
Anthony

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Today's Topics:

1. Subject: Re: japanese beetles and avian predators (Toni Pralle)
2. Re: Unknown Beetles (dmnorton@royaloakfarmorchard.com)
3. Skeletonized raspberries (John McCuan)
4. click beetles (Richard MURPHY)
5. Re: Antitranspirants/Surround? (Mark & Helen Angermayer)
6. pumping water (Lucky.Pittman@murraystate.edu)
7. pumping water (Lucky.Pittman@murraystate.edu)
8. Re: Subject: Re: japanese beetles and avian predators
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Message: 1
Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2007 11:27:04 -0500
From: "Toni Pralle" <toni.pralle@gmail.com>
Subject: [NAFEX] Subject: Re: japanese beetles and avian predators
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No domestic fowl if you expect to raise fruit and vegetables in a garden.
chickens will dig and/or eat everything. I have fenced my chickens out of my
garden. After it freezes I will take the fence down and they can root around
in there until April when the fence will go up again.

Can I just keep guinea hens or some type of domestic fowl in my fenced
orchard to eat the bad bugs such as Japanese beetles? Because it is the
only area safe from deer I keep all my fruit and vegetable gardens
there. I

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Message: 2
Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2007 12:38:39 -0500
From: <dmnorton@royaloakfarmorchard.com>
Subject: Re: [NAFEX] Unknown Beetles
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Could it be Rose Chafers? Rose chafers are similar to Japanese Beetles and
are also about 1/2 inch long, but are slimmer, dull, and buff-colored. The
feeding habit of Rose Chafers is similar, chewing holes between the veins of
the leaves, resulting in a skeletonized appearance. The beetles may also
feed on flowers and fruit. The larvae of both species live in the soil and
are considered turf pests. When beetles are observed feeding in a raspberry
planting they can be controlled with appropriate insecticide sprays applied
to the foliage. Pheromone and scent traps are available to control Japanese
beetlesand may work with Rose Chafers, but these have not proven effective
in commercial settings. Place traps near, but not within, the planting to
prevent increased injury from beetles which are attracted to, but do not
fall into, the traps.


Dennis Norton
Royal Oak Farm Orchard
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----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Fruth" <jfruth@tds.net>
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Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2007 7:10 AM
Subject: [NAFEX] Unknown Beetles


I've got nocturnal critters skeletonizing raspberry leaves and I
haven't seen a possible culprit until yesterday. Some time ago I asked
the Extension service and was told that it 'sounded' like Japanese Beetle
damage. I doubted that because the critter is nocturnal.
Recently, I parked the wheelbarrow in the berry patch and was surprised
by the bugs in it the following morning. There were two kinds: one was
the common Junebug and the other was about the size of the Junebug and of
a light brown color. I wondered if this second beetle was the
skeletonizer.
Does anyone know what skeletonizes their raspberry leaves?

Jim Fruth
Brambleberry Farm
Pequot Lakes, MN 56472
For jams, jellies & syrups:
www.bberryfarm.com
(218)568-8483 [Store]
(218)831-7018 [My Cell]





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Message: 3
Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2007 11:34:13 -0700 (PDT)
From: John McCuan <wawo@yahoo.com>
Subject: [NAFEX] Skeletonized raspberries
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I have definitely had raspberries skeletonized by Japanese beetles. The ones that bother us aren't strictly nocturnal, however, but certainly are active in the day.

This is what I've learned and observed, which isn't too much. Once Japanese beetles start gathering on a particular plant, they release a pheremone that attracts more of them, and they quickly do considerable damage. I've found that the beetles are less active early in the morning, so I go out and knock them into a pail of water (which I then give to the chickens who pick them out and eat them). If I try this later in the day, the beetles usually fly off before they fall into the pail. Last year around this time I went out every morning about this time and would knock off 50 or more from my raspberries. (I don't have the problem this year because I tore those canes out, they never produced a single berry for me, though I think it may have been more of a poor variety choice than the beetles.)

Around here, they also seem to especially like pole beans. I caught a few in mine there this morning.

Hanging Japanese beetle traps seem to work, though since they attract through a pheromone you don't want to hang them too close to your plants, otherwise more beetles may be attracted to the area. Milky spore may also help keep your population down, though that's a long range strategy.

Hope this helps.

Melinda McCuan


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Message: 4
Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2007 15:23:15 -0400
From: "Richard MURPHY" <murphman108@msn.com>
Subject: [NAFEX] click beetles
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Hello;

Now some not-so-good news (from Karl) about Click Beetles.
I wish my orchard wasn't 4 hours north.
Interesting how they single out Karl's grapes, and my cherries, and ignore pears & apples.

Murph
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Message: 5
Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2007 19:08:31 -0500
From: "Mark & Helen Angermayer" <hangermayer@isp.com>
Subject: Re: [NAFEX] Antitranspirants/Surround?
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Hi Donna,

Re, the pump. 140' of head is not a big deal. That's only 70psi. Any
small well pump will deliver that much pressure. The biggest problem
pumping out of a creek is to keep the trash and silt out of the pump so
you'll need some kind of filter if it's a closed impeller pump. Open
impeller pumps will handle more trash, but they are less efficient and take
more horsepower to deliver the pressure you need. For open impeller pumps,
you might look into pacer pumps. They sell them in farm supplies around
here. They make good cheap plastic pumps that hold up well (I don't know if
they make closed impeller pumps). Just make sure the pump will deliver the
pressure you need.

Mark

----- Original Message ----- From: "Donna &/or Kieran" <>
To: "North American Fruit Explorers" <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2007 10:05 AM
Subject: Re: [NAFEX] Antitranspirants/Surround?


You all are not very encouraging re the antitranspirant I had bought for
some reason or other last fall. Have any of you used Surround in drought?
I have read of it for dry climates to reduce evaporation, so I went ahead
and sprayed some on tomato and bean plants while I waited for a call back
from the company re "No Wilt". There is too little moisture in the soil
for
plants to grow. Some lucky bean plants are in a spot where leaves were
piled so nothing grew all last year and no weeds used the stockpiled
moisture this spring. These are about 4' high and blooming now. Other
beans came up and have stood there the same height for the last 6 weeks.
I've covered a lot of plants with nylon curtains to hold off the burning
sun
and hold in humidity. I'm figuring that for those still exposed and even
those partly covered, that turning the leaves white with Surround is bound
to help at least in reducing the surface temp of the leaves. With no rain
to wash it off, I don't mind using some of our precious 20 gallons or so a
day to spray them.
Re Mark's comments on 'Wilt pruf": "The problem I have using it for
transplanting is that it eventually kills
the foliage. It still works OK though because by the time the sprayed
foliage starts to die, the plant starts
pushing up new growth." This is not at all what I had in mind, because
this
isn't transplant shock, there is no water to start new growth. I just
want
to slow evaporation enough that the veggie plants, and my roses and fruit
trees, won't die in between the light showers we are now getting about
twice
a month. At least, I hope we are still getting them twice a month as it's
been over 2 weeks now since we got that last 1/10 inch rainfall.
We are looking into something affordable that will pump 140 ft of
vertical head from the creek. Looks a like Shurflo 12V pump might do it.
We have one, but not a strong enough model to pump all the way to the top.
Everyone says we'd do best to step it anyway. Any advice would be
appreciated. Donna

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Message: 6
Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2007 21:41:35 -0500
From: "Lucky.Pittman@murraystate.edu" <Lucky.Pittman@murraystate.edu>
Subject: [NAFEX] pumping water
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------- Original Message -------
From : Donna &/or Kieran[mailto:holycow@cookeville.com]
We are looking into something affordable that will pump 140 ft of
vertical head from the creek. Looks a like Shurflo 12V pump might do it.
We have one, but not a strong enough model to pump all the way to the top.
Everyone says we'd do best to step it anyway. Any advice would be
appreciated.

Donna,
I think you're probably gonna need a gasoline-powered water or semi-trash pump, probably with a 4-hp or larger
engine, to pump water that high. Even then, you may have to step it - I did see one Honda pump that had a 141 ft
head rating, but most are rated at less than 100 ft.

I've got one that I paid $100 for, that I use mainly to prime my gravity flow water system for the cows every
spring; 1.5" fittings, if I recall correctly. There's a guy here in town who buys used pumps like this one that
have been used to pump out flooded homes/basements, etc. - I don't know where/how he finds 'em, but he'll have a
dozen or so on hand at any given time - he checks 'em out, makes sure they're running correctly, or combines parts
from two or more pumps to make one good one, etc. When I bought this last one(I'd bought a $60 one 10-12 years
ago), he said the Amish buy them as fast as he can get 'em ready to go.

Lucky



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Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2007 21:41:37 -0500
From: "Lucky.Pittman@murraystate.edu" <Lucky.Pittman@murraystate.edu>
Subject: [NAFEX] pumping water
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------- Original Message -------
From : Donna &/or Kieran[mailto:holycow@cookeville.com]
We are looking into something affordable that will pump 140 ft of
vertical head from the creek. Looks a like Shurflo 12V pump might do it.
We have one, but not a strong enough model to pump all the way to the top.
Everyone says we'd do best to step it anyway. Any advice would be
appreciated.

Donna,
I think you're probably gonna need a gasoline-powered water or semi-trash pump, probably with a 4-hp or larger
engine, to pump water that high. Even then, you may have to step it - I did see one Honda pump that had a 141 ft
head rating, but most are rated at less than 100 ft.

I've got one that I paid $100 for, that I use mainly to prime my gravity flow water system for the cows every
spring; 1.5" fittings, if I recall correctly. There's a guy here in town who buys used pumps like this one that
have been used to pump out flooded homes/basements, etc. - I don't know where/how he finds 'em, but he'll have a
dozen or so on hand at any given time - he checks 'em out, makes sure they're running correctly, or combines parts
from two or more pumps to make one good one, etc. When I bought this last one(I'd bought a $60 one 10-12 years
ago), he said the Amish buy them as fast as he can get 'em ready to go.

Lucky



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Message: 8
Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 11:08:01 -0400
From: Hilborn.E@epamail.epa.gov
Subject: Re: [NAFEX] Subject: Re: japanese beetles and avian
predators
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Thanks to everyone who responded. I am learning so much from you all. I
am so glad that I joined NAFEX!

Betsy Hilborn
NC 7a



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