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  • From: "TIM INMAN" <TIM@HISTORICINTERIORS.COM>
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  • Subject: Re: [NAFEX] nafex Digest, Vol 52, Issue 62
  • Date: Sat, 26 May 2007 11:54:51 -0500

Here is an 'ornery' trick we use to keep the birds out of our cherry trees: About now, or maybe a little later, we gather pencil sized sticks which would look like really good roosting or landing twigs. We twist on wires at one end of each to use to 'tie' the sticks up into the trees at what seems to us like good places where birds would naturally want to land. BUT, before we install the landing twigs, we slather them down really thickly with 'Tree Tanglefoot' or similar sticky wax. One or two landings on the sticky sticks, and the birds get the idea and don't come back for the fruiting season. One year, we put the wax directly on the tree limbs. However, we soon found that we didn't like getting our hands in the stuff any more than the birds (or even squirrels!) liked getting their feet in it! Once burned, twice cautious. . . .

Good luck!

Tim Inman
Randolph, IA Zone 4

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Today's Topics:

1. Re: Samdal Elderberries/L. caerulea (Hans Brinkmann)
2. Re: Serviceberry & humidity (dwoodard@becon.org)
3. Bird Decoys for Serviceberry, etc. (Jim Fruth)


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Message: 1
Date: Sat, 26 May 2007 00:22:38 +0200
From: Hans Brinkmann <hans-brinkmann@t-online.de>
Subject: Re: [NAFEX] Samdal Elderberries/L. caerulea
To: North American Fruit Explorers <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
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Hallo Jan,
very interesting - indeed - to read your Lonicera caerulea experience.
Unfortunately your experience with the Geisenheim Research Center has
been bad...
I think Geisenheim Research is specialized only in Grape and many
Stone-fruits plus a few others.
Anyhow Mr. Jakobs reaction is symptomatic for many specialists...

I have new Altai, Amur, Morena, Fialka, Jupiter and Maistar (all
protected) and some "Blues", but I just started with Lonicera.
I think it will be very easy for us to exchange some new harvest seeds ...
In fact we are just neighbors.

ciao
Hans from Germany



vrana schrieb:
I have many cultivars.I wisited Mr.Jakob in gaisenheim research station and
show him my pictures. He ask: what is it? I told: loniceras for fruit. He
went with me into liberary and took encyklopedia and found there,that it
have fruit of bad taste. I ofered my help in researchz but he refused. I
could help a lot. now research is very far, but there is still a lot of work
to be done.I have berries only 30mm, but russians have till50mm. Nearly
each university have it in research now.It have great future ekonomy
meaning. Jan
----- Original Message ----- From: "Hans Brinkmann" <hans-brinkmann@t-online.de>
To: "North American Fruit Explorers" <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2007 3:28 PM
Subject: Re: [NAFEX] Samdal Elderberries/L. caerulea


Hallo Vrana,
thank you very much! I am always interested in good cultivars.
In Germany we have approx. 10 cultivars of Lonicera caerulea var.
kamtschatica.
Some are the American Blue-series and some are new ones from different
origins.
Which one do you have in your country?
Yes, they contain Anthocyanes(amount?), Flavonole, Rutin, vitamin C,
6-8% sugar and 2-4% fruit-acids.

ciao
hans



vrana schrieb:

and what do you say for haskap content of anthocyans?
http://image.www.rakuten.co.jp/sikikoubou/img10122191101.jpeg
http://item.rakuten.co.jp/kitanomori/hasukappu6/ If interested, contact

me.

----- Original Message ----- From: "Hans Brinkmann" <hans-brinkmann@t-online.de>
To: "North American Fruit Explorers" <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2007 10:12 AM
Subject: Re: [NAFEX] Samdal Elderberries


Hallo Doug,
Sambucus is e.g. containing much Appleacid, Grapeacid and Anthocyane.
Anthocyane are very strong antioxidants with many, many positive

effects...

Probably this is the reason we strongly recommend Sambucus against a
cold, an infection and even against infection-pain and others effects.
Only "wild"! Vaccinum berries have a much higher content. Vaccinum CV
have almost none content.
We consider e.g. Samdal, Samyl, Sambu and Haschberg (bad
umbel-ripening-time) for a very high Anthocyane content.
According to my information pure S. canadensis has always a smaller
Anthocyane content.

ciao
hans


dwoodard@becon.org schrieb:


Hans, is there a Sambucus nigra cultivar recommended for anyi-viral
(common cold) activity?

Doug Woodard
St. Catharines, Ontario, Canada


On Thu, 24 May 2007, Hans Brinkmann wrote:



Hallo Richard,
Sambucus nigra "Samdal" is really good, high Anthocyan! medium growth,
no special disease-problem at Germany, but many are possible.
"Alles?e" has even better harvest because of same ripening-time(per
umbel)! is one of the best for commercial plantations at Germany!
We use different cultivars for different chemical contents.
Probably you have also nice crosses between S. nigra and S. canadensis.

ciao
Hans


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Message: 2
Date: Sat, 26 May 2007 03:59:56 -0400 (EDT)
From: dwoodard@becon.org
Subject: Re: [NAFEX] Serviceberry & humidity
To: "North American Fruit Explorers" <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
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People report problems growing saskatoons selected on the Canadian
prairies, in humid climates elsewhere. Saskatoons (Amelanchier alnifolia)
are not serviceberries although they are related. I expect that a lot of
the people who can't grow good saskatoons could grow good fruit from other
Amelanchiers, perhaps some of the native species of Amelanchier, which may
or may not be known as serviceberries, which grow wild near them.

There are many species of Amelanchier, adapted to different climates, soil
types and perhaps summer day lengths.

Similarly, apricots, peaches, plums (of various species), sweet and sour
cherries and their numerous relatives are all Prunus but they are not the
same and do not grow well under the same conditions.

Doug Woodard
St. Catharines, Ontario, Canada


I keep reading about humidity being a problem with growing
Serviceberry
and wonder if humidity is getting an, undeserved, bad rap. Minnesota
Summers can be very humid and Serviceberry varieties thrive as landscape
plants.

Jim Fruth
Pequot Lakes, MN 56472




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Message: 3
Date: Sat, 26 May 2007 07:26:10 -0500
From: "Jim Fruth" <jfruth@tds.net>
Subject: [NAFEX] Bird Decoys for Serviceberry, etc.
To: "NAFEX" <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
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Along about this time of year i start hanging out my 'decoys.' I bought
round beads and berry beads (berry beads resemble raspberries), installed
wire to hang them, and hang them in the trees and bushes. The birds go wild
over them scattering them all over the yard. Then I just collect them and
re-hang them. By the time the fruit turns red, most of the birds seem
convinced that red things are not edible. Some birds, like Robins, are
easily fooled and some not. Doesn't work 100% but it really helps.

Jim Fruth
Brambleberry Farm
Pequot Lakes, MN 56472
For jams, jellies & syrups:
www.bberryfarm.com
(218)568-8483 [Store]
(218)831-7018 [My Cell]



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