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[Hans Brinkmann <hans-brinkmann@t-online.de>]

Hallo William Freels,
unfortunately by mistake, you mixed up the NAFEX forum with something 
else...
ciao
Hans

William Freels schrieb:
> AMEN
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: <martha_davis@highstream.net>
> To: <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
> Sent: Monday, February 26, 2007 5:16 PM
> Subject: [NAFEX] Fruit & ecological systems
>
>
>   
> > Donna &/or Kieran schrieb:
> >     
> > > Cats may take their toll, but the humans are doing more than their fair
> > > share.   What's really reduced the quail population in Tennessee is
> > >       
> fescue,
>   
> > > they say that it's so thick that baby quail can't move around in it.
> > >       
> The
>   
> > > other thing, that really gets me, is the damned weedeaters.  People move
> > >       
> out
>   
> > > in the country and try to make their entire yard look like a carpet,
> > > including cutting all grass and weeds right up to the road.  They have
> > >       
> nice
>   
> > > smooth expanses which would be convenient for watching wildlife, if only
> > > there were any wildlife left to watch.  Sure, deer and rabbits eat
> > >       
> grass,
>   
> > Donna comments are certainly well taken.  Another movement that addresses
> >     
> some
>   
> > of these concerns in a more pallnnned ecological way in the permaculture
> > movement and forest gardens.  They are often a planned ecolofical system
> > including fruit plants and nuts, but also other food plants and
> >     
> insetariary
>   
> > plants etc etc.
> >
> > Martha
> >
> >
> >  > but quail need bugs and weed/grass SEEDS, which aren't produced when
> >     
> > > everything is kept 2" high.
> > >     Another thing that gets me is the horse population.  Used to be that
> > > horse lovers would have one horse.  Now they have 4 of them, in the same
> > > space.   The horses not only eat everything down to the ground, but they
> > >       
> are
>   
> > > dependent on lots of hay and grain.  I hardly ever see anyone actually
> > >       
> ride
>   
> > > one of the creatures.
> > >     If you stop and think about it, most NAFEXers increase species
> > > diversity.  Certainly compared to the average American lawn, we create
> > >       
> more
>   
> > > green stuff at different heights, creating both cover and food.  At our
> > > place, the soil was so terrible in the cleared area that few species of
> > > weeds would grow.  Now the soil is better over an acre or so, and we
> > >       
> have
>   
> > > provided a great deal of food to the voles, flying squirrels( they like
> > > tomatoes), chicken snakes (they like eggs) hawks and owls (they like
> > > chickens), cardinals (they like chicken feed, and peas pecked fresh from
> > >       
> the
>   
> > > pods) and a multitude of birds that like blueberries.  A bit of
> > >       
> controlled
>   
> > > predation is not a bad thing, especially as so many wild predators are
> > >       
> gone.
>   
> > > The real enemy for birds is loss of  food and habitat.  I remember
> > >       
> someone
>   
> > > years ago commenting that after bug zappers became a fad, they heard and
> > >       
> saw
>   
> > > far fewer birds.    Donna
> > >       
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