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["Lon J. Rombough" <lonrom@hevanet.com>]

I don't know, but I suspect they would.  The outward movement seems to be more a matter of how the plants grow than a depletion of materials.  Only roots of a certain age seem to put up the shoots really well.  It also takes several years for the old areas to start failing.  I didn't follow mine long enough to be sure if the failure was due to lack of nutrients or the area just being choked with old roots.
-Lon Rombough
Grapes, writing, consulting, my book, The Grape Grower, at http://www.bunchgrapes.com  Winner of the Garden Writers Association "Best Talent in Writing" award for 2003.
On Apr 30, 2005, at 5:52 PM, Stephen Sadler wrote:



<x-tad-bigger>If you cleaned out the middle and rejuvenated the soil, would they creep back inward? </x-tad-bigger>
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<x-tad-bigger>I’ve done similar with mushroom and strawberry patches.  The outward movement is due to depletion of nutrients in the older parts of the beds.  With fresh, attractive, soil, the plants/fungi move back in.   With mushroom beds, a circle does form, and it’s just a matter of tilling in whatever type of organic matter the particular fungi likes.  With strawberry beds, I tilled half of each wide bed (alternating sides by year) and the beds kept themselves young, healthful, and fruitful.  Got fruit </x-tad-bigger><x-tad-bigger>much</x-tad-bigger><x-tad-bigger> faster by letting the beds replant themselves with runners than by setting out ‘new’ plants.</x-tad-bigger>
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<x-tad-bigger>Stephen Sadler, Ph.D.</x-tad-bigger>
<x-tad-bigger>USDA 9, AHS heat zone 8,</x-tad-bigger>
<x-tad-bigger>Sacramento CA - Mediterranean climate</x-tad-bigger>

<x-tad-bigger>From:</x-tad-bigger><x-tad-bigger> nafex-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org [mailto:nafex-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org] </x-tad-bigger><x-tad-bigger>On Behalf Of </x-tad-bigger><x-tad-bigger>Lon J. Rombough</x-tad-bigger>
<x-tad-bigger>Sent:</x-tad-bigger><x-tad-bigger> Saturday, April 30, 2005 5:40 PM</x-tad-bigger>
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<x-tad-bigger>Subject:</x-tad-bigger><x-tad-bigger> Re: [NAFEX] ground cover raspberries</x-tad-bigger>
 

They are several selections of Rubus x stellarcticus bred in Sweden by Professor Gunny Larsson. She crossed two Arctic Rubus, R. arcticus and R. stellatus. I've grown them. They are technically a blackberry, in spite of the color of the fruit, because the berries stick to the core. They are self-sterile, so if you want them as a pure ornamental, plant only one selection. They like very well drained soil, though you can do that with a raised bed. They spread by underground roots. In the arctic they take three years - first year the roots spread. Second year the buds form just below the soil line. Third year the shoots come up, bear, and die back. In warmer areas, they take only two years, or even one. Fruit is quite aromatic, but tart. Get used to a lot of kneeling to pick them, though. The lavender flowers are really nice in the spring.
 As the patch ages, the original plants may need to be cleaned out and new material planted as the oldest plants die out, while the "leading edge" of the patch keeps moving out. They are by no means invasive because they are very easy to dig out, but they do keep moving.
 -Lon Rombough
 Grapes, writing, consulting, my book, The Grape Grower, at http://www.bunchgrapes.com Winner of the Garden Writers Association "Best Talent in Writing" award for 2003.
 On Apr 30, 2005, at 5:26 PM, list@ginda.us wrote:


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