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  • From: "Peter Knop" <knop@erols.com>
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  • Subject: [NAFEX] Re: nafex Digest, Vol 13, Issue 5
  • Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2004 11:50:39 -0800


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> 1. Louise Swenson information page (Rodney Eveland)
> 2. Re: Weather stations (R. W. Spalinger)
> 3. Re: Weather stations (Tom Olenio)
> 4. Bluebell: Not so great table grape. (Rodney Eveland)
> 5. weeping crabs-- pruning for fruit (tanis cuff)
> 6. Re: Bluebell: Not so great table grape. (Lon J. Rombough)
> 7. Spray n Grow (Dylan Ford)
> 8. Spur Pruning vs. Cane Pruning (Scott Williamson)
> 9. Re: Bluebell: Not so great table grape. (Tom Olenio)
> 10. Re: Spur Pruning vs. Cane Pruning (Lon J. Rombough)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2004 12:48:42 -0700
> From: "Rodney Eveland" <reveland@collinscom.net>
> Subject: [NAFEX] Louise Swenson information page
> To: <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
> Message-ID: <000b01c3e9c5$90032460$8d7ba8c0@IBMWTKEQZ8JB5T>
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> http://www.littlefatwino.com/infolouise.html
>
> There is additional information about other hardy grapes
> at this website.
>
> Comments from the Minnesota Grape Growers Association.: This selection
> was bred from a cross of E.S. 2-3-17 x Kay Gray. However, as a wine
> grape, it will never be confused with Kay Gray. Berries average around
> 3 g and clusters are small to medium, conical, somewhat compact, and
> average 105 g (range 70-130 g). In five years of trials, the wine from
> Louise Swenson has been outstanding for its quality and consistency
> from year to year. The wine is without any negative hybrid
> characteristics, and has a typical delicate aroma of flowers and
> honey. This wine's only significant fault is that it is rather light
> in body. Blending with a variety such as Prairie Star makes it a more
> complete wine. Louise Swenson rarely exceeds 20 Brix, even if left to
> hang past midseason. Acidity is moderate and needs no reduction.
> Observed at many sites around south-central Minnesota, this variety
> has shown little or no winter injury even in the most severe (-40o F)
> winters.
> It has an orderly growth habit, with moderate vigor on most sites. It
> buds out relatively late in the spring compared to other interspecific
> hybrid grape varieties. Unlike its father, Kay Gray, the clusters hang
> free of the tendrils. Disease resistance is generally very good, with
> some susceptibility to Anthracnose. Observations on very sandy sites
> suggest that Louise Swenson may be sensitive to droughty conditions.
> On sites of this type, irrigation may be required in dry years. This
> grape should be grown much more widely in the North for its consistent
> wine quality, outstanding winter hardiness, and good cultural
> behavior. Perfect flowers.
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2004 15:20:17 -0600 (GMT-06:00)
> From: "R. W. Spalinger" <rwspal@earthlink.net>
> Subject: Re: [NAFEX] Weather stations
> To: North American Fruit Explorers <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>,
> nafex@lists.ibiblio.org
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Peter Knop <knop@erols.com>
> Sent: Feb 2, 2004 4:14 PM
> To: nafex@lists.ibiblio.org
> Subject: [NAFEX] Weather stations
>
> Davis Instruments sells several models of weather stations. Using basic
setups and some add-ons, you can get all the informtion you listed,
including soil moisture, except for probably snow depth.
>
> I use a Davis weather station to measure and record rainfall, temps,
pessure, wind speed and direction, even insolation in watts/sq. meter. Their
stations will interface with a computer and they have software for analysing
all the data, but you don't need that to record.
>
> Randall Spalinger
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Mon, 02 Feb 2004 17:07:09 -0500
> From: Tom Olenio <tolenio@sentex.net>
> Subject: Re: [NAFEX] Weather stations
> To: North American Fruit Explorers <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
> Message-ID: <401ECA0C.39388CB6@sentex.net>
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>
> Hi,
>
> Do not forget that there are unmanned weather stations all over the place
collecting data. Some are tied into the internet so anyone can access the
data.
>
> There is one very close to me for example (Baden, ON) for example;
> http://www.kwarc.org/ksrwx.html
>
> I realize it is not my backyard, but darn close to it, and costs me
nothing. Do not overlook similar weather stations near you.
>
> Later,
> Tom
>
> "R. W. Spalinger" wrote:
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Peter Knop <knop@erols.com>
> > Sent: Feb 2, 2004 4:14 PM
> > To: nafex@lists.ibiblio.org
> > Subject: [NAFEX] Weather stations
> >
> > Davis Instruments sells several models of weather stations. Using basic
setups and some add-ons, you can get all the informtion you listed,
including soil moisture, except for probably snow depth.
> >
> > I use a Davis weather station to measure and record rainfall, temps,
pessure, wind speed and direction, even insolation in watts/sq. meter. Their
stations will interface with a computer and they have software for analysing
all the data, but you don't need that to record.
> >
> > Randall Spalinger
> >
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> --
> Thomas Olenio
> Ontario, Canada
> Hardiness Zone 5b
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2004 16:57:20 -0700
> From: "Rodney Eveland" <reveland@collinscom.net>
> Subject: [NAFEX] Bluebell: Not so great table grape.
> To: <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
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> At the below website it is stated that Bluebell is not great until 4th
> year. It is also described as a table grape. My question: Is this
> common for a (table) grape to not be "great" until it's 4th year, and
> what exactly does great mean? Great taste - great producer etc.... Now
> that hardy grapes exist it is more and more tempting to plant them.
>
> http://www.littlefatwino.com/bertslist.html
>
> BLUEBELL - Labrusca type table, hardy to -35F, ripens about Sept. 1st,
> juice, jelly, fresh market, not great until 4th year.
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2004 00:00:10 +0000
> From: "tanis cuff" <tanistanis@hotmail.com>
> Subject: [NAFEX] weeping crabs-- pruning for fruit
> To: nafex@lists.ibiblio.org
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> The local gardeners have another request for helpful nafexers. See below.
> Many thanks for the responses on mountain ash, and thanks for any ideas on
> the following.
>
>
> ----Original Message Follows----
> From: "Connie >
> To: "tanis cuff" <tanistanis@hotmail.com>
> Subject: Tanis...Q for your fruit board...
> Date: 2 Feb 2004 14:32:50 -0600
>
> T:
>
> Mike didn't help me out much re: pruning of weeping crabs to produce the
> most fruit possible. Just suggested I not cut off as far as the graft.
> (tee-hee?)
>
> I have a Malus 'Molten Lava', apprx 6 feet tall right now. Should grow to
> be 12-15 feet tall/wide, from what I read. I still have it staked to
ensure
> the height continues, as it was a bit too weepy when I purchased it
> (container, not bareroot or B&B) in 2001.
>
> Ohio State and other studies show this tree has a lot of fruit potential,
> they hang on well thru winter for returning birds, and very few mummies.
> (Plus the fruit color is phenomenal!)
>
> I know to get more fruit from regular trees, pruning is a good thing.
>
> Is that the case with weeping crabs, and if so, how and when does one know
> to start pruning?
>
> Thanks...
>
> Connie
>
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> ------------------------------
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> Message: 6
> Date: Mon, 02 Feb 2004 16:29:00 -0800
> From: "Lon J. Rombough" <lonrom@hevanet.com>
> Subject: Re: [NAFEX] Bluebell: Not so great table grape.
> To: North American Fruit Explorers <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
> Message-ID: <BC442B4C.18FDE%lonrom@hevanet.com>
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>
> It varies with variety. Some table grapes don't produce their biggest,
> nicest clusters until the vines start to mature well, such as 4 years or
> more. The quality may vary a little, but that's usually because the
grower
> hasn't gotten the hang of the vine and may be overcropping it a little,
> which reduces the fruit quality. Bluebell is a lot like Concord in
> character, though it is sweeter and (to me) has a more aromatic flavor
that
> I would call better. It is a little sensitive to soil pH and may be
> affected by slightly alkaline soil that wouldn't bother other American
> grapes.
> -Lon Rombough
> Grapes, writing, consulting, my book, The Grape Grower, at
> http://www.bunchgrapes.com
> Winner of the Garden Writers Association "Best Talent in Writing" award
for
> 2003
>
>
>
> At the below website it is stated that Bluebell is not great until 4th
> year. It is also described as a table grape. My question: Is this
> common for a (table) grape to not be "great" until it's 4th year, and
> what exactly does great mean? Great taste - great producer etc.... Now
> that hardy grapes exist it is more and more tempting to plant them.
>
> http://www.littlefatwino.com/bertslist.html
>
> BLUEBELL - Labrusca type table, hardy to -35F, ripens about Sept. 1st,
> juice, jelly, fresh market, not great until 4th year.
>
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> Message: 7
> Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2004 20:08:05 -0500
> From: "Dylan Ford" <dford@suffolk.lib.ny.us>
> Subject: [NAFEX] Spray n Grow
> To: "North American Fruit Explorers" <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
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> Thanks to all who weighed in on the Spray N grow question. All opinions
> confirmed what I had suspected. The brochures are very seductive. I tried
it
> once or twice and never saw any difference. I have another brochure here
> offering a really nice bridge at a good price... dylan
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 8
> Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2004 08:00:13 -0500
> From: "Scott Williamson" <swilliamson@acespower.com>
> Subject: [NAFEX] Spur Pruning vs. Cane Pruning
> To: "North American Fruit Explorers" <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
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> I've been reading Lon's book The Grape Grower (which btw is very
informative and well written) and had a question for Lon or anyone else who
might have knowledge on the subject. In the section on varieties it
mentions that some should be can pruned and some should be spur pruned. I
can assume that got the best results, but I was wondering if anyone knew why
that is or what results I could expect if I did the opposite. Specifically
I'm looking at Reliance and its mention of cane pruning. Might the best
choice vary depending on climate, etc.?
>
> Thanks,
> Scott
> Indiana Zone 5b
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> Message: 9
> Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2004 08:50:54 -0500
> From: Tom Olenio <tolenio@sentex.net>
> Subject: Re: [NAFEX] Bluebell: Not so great table grape.
> To: North American Fruit Explorers <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
> Message-ID: <401FA73D.FA264C8D@sentex.net>
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> Hi,
>
> You can find Hardy Grapes current listing of grapes at:
> http://www.hardygrapes.tottenham.on.ca/vines.htm
>
> It was recently updated and includes more varieties.
>
> I know that Bert is very busy right now shipping orders.
>
> Later,
> Tom
>
> Rodney Eveland wrote:
>
> > At the below website it is stated that Bluebell is not great until 4th
> > year. It is also described as a table grape. My question: Is this
> > common for a (table) grape to not be "great" until it's 4th year, and
> > what exactly does great mean? Great taste - great producer etc.... Now
> > that hardy grapes exist it is more and more tempting to plant them.
> >
> > http://www.littlefatwino.com/bertslist.html
> >
> > BLUEBELL - Labrusca type table, hardy to -35F, ripens about Sept. 1st,
> > juice, jelly, fresh market, not great until 4th year.
> >
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> --
> Thomas Olenio
> Ontario, Canada
> Hardiness Zone 5b
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 10
> Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2004 06:57:06 -0800
> From: "Lon J. Rombough" <lonrom@hevanet.com>
> Subject: Re: [NAFEX] Spur Pruning vs. Cane Pruning
> To: North American Fruit Explorers <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
> Message-ID: <BC44F6C2.19025%lonrom@hevanet.com>
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> I prefer spur pruning because it's easier to maintain and harder to
overcrop
> the vine. With canes, it's easy for a novice to leave too many buds and
> overload the vine. If you do it opposite (canes instead of spurs) the
main
> thing is to be sure you don't leave too many buds and overload the vine,
or
> you might consider crop thinning early in the season. Otherwise, there is
> no reason you can't use canes instead of spurs, if you choose.
> -Lon Rombough
> Grapes, writing, consulting, my book, The Grape Grower, at
> http://www.bunchgrapes.com
> Winner of the Garden Writers Association "Best Talent in Writing" award
for
> 2003
>
>
>
> I've been reading Lon's book The Grape Grower (which btw is very
informative
> and well written) and had a question for Lon or anyone else who might have
> knowledge on the subject. In the section on varieties it mentions that
some
> should be can pruned and some should be spur pruned. I can assume that
got
> the best results, but I was wondering if anyone knew why that is or what
> results I could expect if I did the opposite. Specifically I'm looking at
> Reliance and its mention of cane pruning. Might the best choice vary
> depending on climate, etc.?
>
> Thanks,
> Scott
> Indiana Zone 5b
>
>
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